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10-03-2017, 01:28 PM
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#241
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Montana
Posts: 581
Year: 2000
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directionals
BrewerBob - you were right - once I found the wire for the directionals - I was able to just piggyback the top lights - now they work perfectly!!!
Now people should be able to see me turning.
I am hoping this is not illegal - but I have seen trucks with high mounted directionals.
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10-03-2017, 01:33 PM
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#242
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I know in ohio its legal high brake and turn signal are legal..but not legal to use high white facing lights front or back
-Christopher
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10-03-2017, 01:35 PM
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#243
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Montana
Posts: 581
Year: 2000
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I only plan to use those when parked - they do help light up the surrounding area.
I like the directionals, though! It will be hard to miss that I am turning!
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Originally Posted by cadillackid
I know in ohio its legal high brake and turn signal are legal..but not legal to use high white facing lights front or back
-Christopher
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10-03-2017, 01:37 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: SE Florida
Posts: 1,108
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 65 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tobeamiss
This is great! Thanks everybody for posting pics I'm so glad you all had a good time. I wish I could have made this one but I'll definitely be there for the next!
Now THAT'S a real bonfire!!It's only done right if you have to look up at it ;)
How's your toe CB? hehehe, not funny but funny lol. I'm gonna take a wild guess that you weren't wearing shoes ;) On a lighter note, so glad you now have a co-pilot chair Sandi. It'll surely make the trip more fun.
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It was a great weekend, except for me crushing poor ECCB's toe with the seat
A wonderful skoolie community we have!!!
Sandi
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10-03-2017, 02:06 PM
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#245
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dog Rescuer
BrewerBob - you were right - once I found the wire for the directionals - I was able to just piggyback the top lights - now they work perfectly!!!
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Now people should be able to see me turning.
I am hoping this is not illegal - but I have seen trucks with high mounted directionals.
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Sweeeet!!
Per the MD state inspector (MD is a nanny state) you're alloweed as many clearance markers, brake lights, and turn signals as you like.
What Chris said. But in addtion to what he said, you're allowed "fog" lights and "spot" lights up high AS LONG AS THEY ARE COVERED. If you get a dick cop, he could give you a ticket for them being uncovered. There is nothing saying how they have to be covered and at least in the state of VA, a sock counts!! With covers mentioned, you might want to try to find some plastic cover that you can slip on and off without them flying off in the wind while driving. Or just roll the dice. Chances are the cop is going to get you for something if he's in that foul a mood. Those things can not be bright at all with the lenses you have. Clear lenses and headlamps would be totally different.
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10-03-2017, 04:09 PM
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#246
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I was thinking someone did that.. installed headlamps.. and for some reason iwas thinking a round headlamp was pretty close to fitting in the opening.. whether the wire is big enough? no idea..
-Christopher
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10-03-2017, 04:17 PM
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#247
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: NY
Posts: 774
Year: 2002
Coachwork: International
Engine: dt466
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
While its true I don't wear shoes much, I definitely don't wear em in someones HOME!
The feet of school bus chairs are not kind to pinky toes.
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You are absolutely correct 😉 and those chairs are heavy! Hope you're doing ok 😊 [emoji106]
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10-03-2017, 04:25 PM
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#248
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tobeamiss
You are absolutely correct 😉 and those chairs are heavy! Hope you're doing ok 😊 [emoji106]
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I'm fine. It'll be ok. I broke a bigger toe way worse once, and they heal up pretty quickly.
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10-04-2017, 06:45 AM
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#249
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
I was thinking someone did that.. installed headlamps.. and for some reason iwas thinking a round headlamp was pretty close to fitting in the opening.. whether the wire is big enough? no idea..
-Christopher
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I think someone mentioned it but don't know if they did. As for the wire, I can assure you neither the wire nor the fuse can handle it. I had the old bulbs in as parking/turn and it melted the 25 amp fuse. The circuit is rated at 15 amp.
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10-04-2017, 09:31 AM
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#250
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
I think someone mentioned it but don't know if they did. As for the wire, I can assure you neither the wire nor the fuse can handle it. I had the old bulbs in as parking/turn and it melted the 25 amp fuse. The circuit is rated at 15 amp.
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LED could do it.
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10-04-2017, 09:49 AM
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#251
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
LED could do it.
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Yes. I switched them all to the 1156 incandescent bulbs and the 15 amp fuse holds. The original bulbs (7" circles) were too much.
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10-04-2017, 11:11 AM
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#252
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Montana
Posts: 581
Year: 2000
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I put led bulbs in all the lights - so there is much less power drawn - seems to be working fine!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Yes. I switched them all to the 1156 incandescent bulbs and the 15 amp fuse holds. The original bulbs (7" circles) were too much.
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10-04-2017, 12:04 PM
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#253
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dog Rescuer
I put led bulbs in all the lights - so there is much less power drawn - seems to be working fine!
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I know; you'll be fine. I was just putting that out there for anyone else. The circuit can't handle the original bulbs but then it was designed so that only one set at a time was lit and they were blinking at that. Brakes and turn signals are on the same fuse. You're on the brakes for a turn , that's the 4 rear lit steady. And then in my case, both rights or both lefts were blinking in unison. Current draw is MUCH higher than expected. The regular old school 1156 bulbs aren't exactly a light load in comparison to the LEDs but it maths to 15 amps.
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10-05-2017, 09:11 PM
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#254
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ridge Manor, FL
Posts: 311
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: Ford B600
Engine: Cummins 5.9
Rated Cap: 20 person
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I heard that if you used LED lights you had to make a modification so the turn signal would work. Is that not the case?
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10-05-2017, 09:17 PM
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#255
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Montana
Posts: 581
Year: 2000
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I've not heard that - but I didn't make any modifications, except swapping all the little bulbs with LED bulbs. Everything seems to work well - much brighter and a crisper light.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BowserJournal
I heard that if you used LED lights you had to make a modification so the turn signal would work. Is that not the case?
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10-05-2017, 09:24 PM
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#256
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ridge Manor, FL
Posts: 311
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: Ford B600
Engine: Cummins 5.9
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Thats good to know, i shouldn't listen to the autozone guy....
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10-05-2017, 09:24 PM
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#257
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BowserJournal
I heard that if you used LED lights you had to make a modification so the turn signal would work. Is that not the case?
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Generally this applies only to swapping out incandescent turn signals for LED, when a mechanical flasher relay is fitted. The LEDs don't put sufficient load on the flasher relay to trigger the on/off cycle. In fact what you are likely to get is a blown bulb indicator.
There are two ways to fix it. Either fit ballast resistors to the led circuit or swap out the flasher relay for an electronic one.
You might still need ballast resistors if the electronic flasher relay you fit (or is fitted), is load-sensing. Those are the relays that flash at double rate if a bulb is blown.
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10-06-2017, 07:42 AM
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#258
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigg
Generally this applies only to swapping out incandescent turn signals for LED, when a mechanical flasher relay is fitted. The LEDs don't put sufficient load on the flasher relay to trigger the on/off cycle. In fact what you are likely to get is a blown bulb indicator.
There are two ways to fix it. Either fit ballast resistors to the led circuit or swap out the flasher relay for an electronic one.
You might still need ballast resistors if the electronic flasher relay you fit (or is fitted), is load-sensing. Those are the relays that flash at double rate if a bulb is blown.
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Good to know but 1) are these buses that smart? 2) Would they bother as they are supposed to be inspected daily before the driver starts the route.
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10-06-2017, 08:04 AM
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#259
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Good to know but 1) are these buses that smart? 2) Would they bother as they are supposed to be inspected daily before the driver starts the route.
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most of our busses arent that smart.. but the way some of these flashers worked was essentially a self-resettig circuit breaker.. if you didnt pull enough current then it would not flash.. others were "reverse" sensing where the more current you pulled the slower it flashed.. many vehicles used these... alas why you would get the "fast blink" when a bulb was out..
if you go LED's you may very well get he super fast blink.. which to me is not an issue - fast flash = high visibility = Good
-Christopher
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10-06-2017, 08:19 AM
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#260
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
most of our busses arent that smart.. but the way some of these flashers worked was essentially a self-resettig circuit breaker.. if you didnt pull enough current then it would not flash.. others were "reverse" sensing where the more current you pulled the slower it flashed.. many vehicles used these... alas why you would get the "fast blink" when a bulb was out..
if you go LED's you may very well get he super fast blink.. which to me is not an issue - fast flash = high visibility = Good
-Christopher
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Dad's Econoline Van would vary speed with the brakes. May have had a bulb out as well but stuck on the side of the road with a flat, I was mashing the brake to make the blinkers flash faster as cars drove by. It was a '76~'78 maybe? Old enough that a late '90s bus should be as smart.
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