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Old 11-13-2018, 10:01 PM   #3661
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Grrr, I know how that feels. Most days are like that. I always wonder why the temperature gauges go that high.. 230 seems to be high enough.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:10 PM   #3662
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It had totally croaked. Dead. Lifeless. Defunct.


And no doubt an oddball since the aluminum tank came out of a boat and was dated about 1978 as I recall.



I am reeaaaally hoping the new one still works.
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Old 11-14-2018, 11:39 AM   #3663
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I feel your pain with the fuel sender. I had a hell of a time with replacing one in a í62 chevy panel truck, After I reinstalled the tank, the seal leaked. I just did a search for that Medallion Instruments sender and found the company is no longer, but there are modern replacements available for 30 bucks. From what I read, the marine senders are 240Ω to 30Ω. Chevy senders are 0Ω to 30Ω, and Ford senders are 30Ω to 0Ω or something like that, they are opposite! so the sender has to match the gauge. You may be fine there since you got the sender and gauge from one shop. I like your bus!
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Old 11-14-2018, 02:18 PM   #3664
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It had totally croaked. Dead. Lifeless. Defunct.


And no doubt an oddball since the aluminum tank came out of a boat and was dated about 1978 as I recall.



I am reeaaaally hoping the new one still works.

Tango,
...don't know anything about them, but the old VW's used a similar sender in their tanks.

I had my brother weld in an aluminum puck as it were to an after market aluminum fuel tank and used the stock VW sender in it. Couldn't tell ya if it would work or not...just an idea.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:01 PM   #3665
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I got lucky! --- I somehow managed to grind a quarter inch of metal and plastic off the body of the sender to make it fit...and it still works! Had it tested this morning and could finally breathe again. And...I can keep the matching VDO gauge. Also picked up more gauges while I was there. Alt...trans temp...& oil pressure. That is probably all I will add besides the Tiny Tach. There are plenty of others for diesels but I doubt I would know what some of those readings mean.


Now to figure out how to wire them all up and install the sending units.
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Old 11-15-2018, 08:41 PM   #3666
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Just curious...anyone familiar with the little (very Chinese) diesel heater below?


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JNMB8ZH...b-571f7e12ada0
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:00 PM   #3667
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Looks like an eberspacher knock of.
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:44 AM   #3668
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What joe says abs probably just as good.. great price compared to the espar a dcwebasto.

Can’t wait to see your gauge panel!, you are going to use an EGT gauge too?
I bought a 2 inch tach for my superior , the Tiny tach being digital just didn’t fit the loadstar look. I never knew they made 2 inch tachs
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:13 AM   #3669
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Looks like an eberspacher knock of.
Yes it does!
I know those will keep a poorly sealed VW warm.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:08 AM   #3670
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I personally like the coolant heaters if you are going to be driving your bus into really cold areas as they are a block heater too.. if you have a good generator and can run your block heater and your bus electrics too its great. but a fully mechanical engine without glow plugs (I dont think the 4BT has plugs?) can be a bear to start unless its coolant is warmed..



of course at those prices vs new ones you could install one of each..
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:26 AM   #3671
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Based on what I could decipher from the fortune cookie English description...that unit can be used to preheat the engine coolant as well. No doubt the German unit is better made, but...$$$


And yes, definitely running an EGT. Have to drill into the downpipe and weld a bung for it. Naturally, it is all neatly wrapped in heat shielding that now has to be peeled off. Had originally planned on installing it in the manifold, but the Cummins folks preferred location is in the exhaust within 6" after the turbo. All of their published numbers are based on that location.



I had no idea there was such a thing as a 2" tach other than the rectangular TinyTach (which I mounted into a round faced pod). Cool. Is it digital or analog? Who makes it? Pic?



Funny...anytime I think about tachs, I remember the bass-ackwards turning units on the real Shelby Cobras. The only ones I've ever seen that wound counter-clockwise. Weird.
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:47 AM   #3672
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This one's pricey but if I wanted an analog 2" tach for a diesel this is what I'd buy-
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-333156/overview/
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:57 AM   #3673
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EC and that’s precisely the one I have!!!

Tango - manifold vs downpipe I get everyone telling me different places to put an EGT probe. I realize it’s always pre turbo but ask that question on a forum and it’s a flame war.. how did you come to your location? As I’m about to install one so I’m scouting places.
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:00 AM   #3674
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Wait . Up pipe is pre turbo . I’ve bee. Told never go post turbo as the temps can vary as much as 200 degrees or more. I
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EC and thatís precisely the one I have!!!

Tango - manifold vs downpipe I get everyone telling me different places to put an EGT probe. I realize itís always pre turbo but ask that question on a forum and itís a flame war.. how did you come to your location? As Iím about to install one so Iím scouting places.
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VDO always made good stuff.

Can't wait to show you the latest bus, man.

Been trying to lure skoolie folks over for a bbq or something but no takers. I'd love to get some input from folks on this bus.
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:22 AM   #3676
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I want to see you guys and that bus. I’m trying to get a trip down and without too much planning., I know kubla wants some tires to go down too
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The exhaust pipe/6" post turbo location is the point that Cummins uses for their published temp figures. That info came from a local shop that handles Cummins overflow work & rebuilt my 4BT. I was also just told by the guys at the gauge shop I am working with that all their big rig customers locate their probes in the same, post turbo location.



And yes...plenty of lively discussion on just where the EGT "should" be. I can understand the guys who pump these things up to 800 HP wanting to read the temps coming right off the cylinders, but for my purposes I just want to compare my readings to whatever Cummins posts as their standards.
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:21 PM   #3678
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Based on what I could decipher from the fortune cookie English description...that unit can be used to preheat the engine coolant as well. No doubt the German unit is better made, but...$$$
Someone asked how that's accomplished in the questions on Amazon. It seems that the only way to do that would be to have this heater blow hot air over a radiator in a coolant loop and then recirculate the coolant, somehow. Not sure why/how the seller thought they could list it as a coolant heater.

EDIT:

Did some searching and I'm seeing some used Espar Hydronic heaters being sold for the low $200s on eBay.
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Good news on the Espar, will look it up...THANKS!


And some work can be scarier than others...


Example: Installing an EGT probe late in the game. There were "issues".


1. The downpipe is ceramic coated stainless with a full wrap of heat insulation plus another layer of radiant barrier.



2.The weld-in bung tuned out to be galvanized (not the best pairing with stainless...especially since my mig is only set up for ferrous steel).


3. I needed to drill a 3/4" hole in the pipe with maybe a couple of inches in which to fit the drill (one shot to get it right).



Went ahead anyway...



Peeled back all the insulation and went at it with a step drill and 90 degree offset head on the drill. Then cleaned an area around the hole to weld.



Cranked up the heat a bit as well as adding extra shielding gas and went for it. Not the prettiest bead I have ever laid down but hey...it was tight in there. And the back part of it had to be done using a mirror!



Cut a hole in the heat shield, installed the probe, re-wrapped the pipe, and I'm now hoping it all works. Now to run about 15' of wiring to the gauge, crank it up and find out.








ONWARD!
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And the back part of it had to be done using a mirror!
Why didn't you just use your x-ray vision, Superman??!?
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