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Old 05-19-2020, 02:56 PM   #21
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At $637 auction price, my money is on coolant contamination and probably the exact dirty trick I explained earlier to make it appear okay outwardly.
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Old 05-19-2020, 03:34 PM   #22
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At $637 auction price, my money is on coolant contamination and probably the exact dirty trick I explained earlier to make it appear okay outwardly.
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Old 05-19-2020, 03:57 PM   #23
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That one looks promising. I'm not a fan of the IDI unless it's turboed. It's a great engine, just severely lacking in onion without the turbo. Not a real big fan of shorties either, I like my elbow room. My biggest gripe is why these people think they need to spray paint over everything? An eraser wheel costs the same as a can of paint, and removing the stickers takes just as long as painting over the decals.
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That one looks promising. I'm not a fan of the IDI unless it's turboed. It's a great engine, just severely lacking in onion without the turbo. Not a real big fan of shorties either, I like my elbow room. My biggest gripe is why these people think they need to spray paint over everything? An eraser wheel costs the same as a can of paint, and removing the stickers takes just as long as painting over the decals.
It sure is a cute bus.


Stickers: Yeah ... and they could reuse the wheel on the next bus! However, a can of spray paint is easy to use.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:07 AM   #25
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As I said, irrelevant when dealing with the 6.0 diesel. These engines are bad news and should be avoided. A very common dirty trick to hide their problems is to clean or replace the coolant recovery tank, plug the overflow hose with RTV, then reinstall and fill with clean coolant to hide the coolant contamination. The listing honestly comes off as typical of a predatory dealer anyway.

Many a poor soul has been burned on these engines, so much so that it has generated at least several years' and several million dollars worth of lawsuits. Just say no. Navistar supplies this engine for Ford. Navistar has yet to build an emission-equipped engine that didn't have problems, and this one is the worst by far.

Check these out before buying any vehicle with the Navistar 6.0L diesel (aka the VT365).



Operative words being, "AT THE MOMENT". I'd sooner trust gas station sushi and nachos before I would trust one of these things.



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Old 05-20-2020, 02:11 AM   #26
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It is listed at $4,900. Does that seem right? Anything I should watch out for? I'm scared to throw my precious pennies at something that will be tons of problems. This looks promising though.

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...123373532.html

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* I'm looking for something to convert and insulate and still be able to stand up in, without a roof raise. I'm 5'11".

* I don't plan on driving around a ton, though some trips (even potentially a cross-country one might be nice. Daily life will be as a quarantine bus in the Philly area.

I realize that I'll need to learn about the engine if I really am to commit to any significant travel - is this a good one to learn on, depend on, get parts for, etc?

Thank you for looking, and for the knowledge this forum has provided.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:15 AM   #27
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Probably a good bus if it has a T444 / T444E, 7.3, Cummins 8.3 / 5.9, DT466 /DT466E. Also find out which transmission it has. Ask for pics of underbody or inspect it carefully, for rust. Also get an oil analysis if possible to verify mechanical condition.

VT365 is also a possibility for '03, I think the MaxxForce came later around '07-'08. Either engine is to be avoided at all costs. An '03 should have a good mechanical package, but verify what it has and its overall condition. $2800 is a good price for a solid bus, but insane for a worn out rustbucket.

My sources indicate the VT365 (essentially the 6.0) was used in the IC RE's. Navistar supplied this engine to Ford. The MaxxForce series was also available. The MaxxForce is just as bad as a Powerstroke due to emissions issues. I believe the MaxxForce came in '07.

Verify what it has. Walk away if it has a MaxxForce or VT365, and don't be fooled by the MaxxForce DTs in newer buses -- this was a slick attempt to fool people into thinking the MaxxForce was the old familiar reliable DT engine.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:29 AM   #28
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Well I did in fact buy the bus we're speaking of.

Have to verify the engine but it's a 7.3 Turbo Diesel, Allison Transmission. See pictures for rust.
I think it's barely any rust.
When we purchased it we stayed away from NY, N.J and other states where it snows lot.
We got it from Virginia drove it back with a problem..
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If you bought it in Virginia, and it's originally a Virginia bus, rust is likely to be minimal. I don't see any pictures yet, perhaps they haven't uploaded yet. Here are some ways to tell which Allison transmission it has, not all are created equal.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:56 AM   #30
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Here's the under carriage of the rust
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Pretty clean for a 17-year-old bus. I've certainly seen worse. Doesn't look too bad, but I would deal with it before it gets worse. Should be able to blast that and put some converter / primer on before patching, if necessary, which doesn't appear to be. But you certainly don't want to just let it go.
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Yes, the rust does not seem too bad.


It looks like it is mainly on the fuel cage, is that correct?


The rails look to still have the original paint on them.
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Old 05-20-2020, 04:38 PM   #35
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Well I did in fact buy the bus we're speaking of.

Have to verify the engine but it's a 7.3 Turbo Diesel, Allison Transmission. See pictures for rust.
I think it's barely any rust.
When we purchased it we stayed away from NY, N.J and other states where it snows lot.
We got it from Virginia drove it back with a problem..
Hey ... if you start a build thread, please drop a link to it here so we all can know to follow.
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Here's the under carriage of the rust
I would call that a rust-free bus. Look at that actual paint on the chassis rail!
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Weird, I just saw this bus listed on Craigslist Philadelphia for $5000.

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...126584793.html

You flipping this bus already?
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