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Old 01-28-2018, 01:55 PM   #1121
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Is the rated cap in your signature the actual vehicle cap or is it how many you can carry now?
Interested if it will work for me but your cap. Is low for me?
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Mine is a shorty wheelchair bus and has 6 seats from the factory (and 2 wheelchair positions). Let's not forget the chair lift. Lest anyone think the ride is rough, it has an air ride rear axle.

As long as you have a similar axle, the "chunk" will swap perfectly. I'm already resigned to spending a fair bit of money swapping mine, so I'd like to recoup some of the cost if someone can use the one I have.

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Old 01-28-2018, 02:14 PM   #1122
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Is the rated cap in your signature the actual vehicle cap or is it how many you can carry now?
Interested if it will work for me but your cap. Is low for me?
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Remember that "rated capacity" only applies to how many seats, or wheelchair stations were fitted.

I have a 40 pusher, but its rated capacity was 46 because it had coach seating rather than bus seats.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:59 PM   #1123
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on my bus the radiator was about 50 lbs or so.. and the CAC about the same.. the core support id estimate at maybe 150? so id say since he has full rad and full CAC that he would have 500 MAX and thats beiing conservative..

it doesnt have to go up that high.. the bonnet comes off with 2 large pins and the 4 spring cable pins and unplug the wire harnesses.. 2 people can lift that bonnet easily and set it down.. now you just have to clear the bumper..

you can unbolt the fan shroud from the system or leave it on but it gets a bit tricky with the fan in there still doable though.. radiator hoses come off easy.. turbo pipes on mine ccame apart easy.

since you dont have the split radiator you may be able to disassemble each component... that weas the mistake i made wit hthe split radiator which made getting it back together real tough.. getting to the bolts was tough as it was obviously dropped in as a unit when my bus was built.. ive seen some vids of people doing front engione work and they pull the system out as a unit with a regular engine hoist or a bobcat.
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I thought 1200 lbs sounded a bit silly.
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Old 01-28-2018, 08:02 PM   #1124
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Earlier a gear swap was mentioned. I have a 5.29 ratio in my bus which is soon to be swapped (I don't have overdrive). Any takers? Axle is an N175 I believe.
Anyone with an allison 2000 would do well with that rear axle ratio. What I've got in the shorty.
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Old 01-28-2018, 08:47 PM   #1125
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Water based latex is maybe the worst thing to put on a Skoolie short of painting it with battery acid. To begin...it will never bond to the oil based paint that is on there. Next...water and metal = rust if you sand through anywhere. Fine for house interiors...horrible on any vehicle. Even the new gen, environmentally friendly factory applied, water based paint is crap. You can find brand new cars that just came off the carrier from Detroit that have rust popping through. I wouldn't even put it on fiberglass since it can't be sanded.

Someone applied water based latex to some parts of my '46 Chevy. They apparently sanded it down to bare metal to put it on and there is a layer of rust under it everywhere there was latex. Sand through the original, 72 year old, oil based Chevy paint and the metal is bright and clean underneath.
Was out at Sandi's bus this morning and I remembered you saying this. Sure enough there were little pockets of condensation trapped behind the latex.
The rustoleum I put on in the dark and with 80% humidity did fine.
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Old 01-28-2018, 08:54 PM   #1126
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Ouch...sorry to hear that guys. And the stuff is a monster to try and sand. Best thing I have found for removing it is a "Striping disk". It will cut through it where sandpaper just clogs up.

Like this...

https://www.eastwood.com/poly-x-pain...SABEgIZe_D_BwE

...but there are cheaper ones.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:06 PM   #1127
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Ouch...sorry to hear that guys. And the stuff is a monster to try and sand. Best thing I have found for removing it is a "Striping disk". It will cut through it where sandpaper just clogs up.

Like this...

https://www.eastwood.com/poly-x-pain...SABEgIZe_D_BwE

...but there are cheaper ones.
Hmm...I prefer "black beauty" and a pneumatic sander

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Old 01-28-2018, 09:14 PM   #1128
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Hmm...I prefer "black beauty" and a pneumatic sander

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Black diamond at harbor freight...no EPA issues...

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Old 01-28-2018, 10:23 PM   #1129
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Ouch...sorry to hear that guys. And the stuff is a monster to try and sand. Best thing I have found for removing it is a "Striping disk". It will cut through it where sandpaper just clogs up.

Like this...

https://www.eastwood.com/poly-x-pain...SABEgIZe_D_BwE

...but there are cheaper ones.
She's happy with it, so that's all that matters.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:23 PM   #1130
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Anyone with an allison 2000 would do well with that rear axle ratio. What I've got in the shorty.
That's why I'm offering it. I'm thinking I'll need about a 4.11 gear set to give a top end around 70.

Right now I get 55 with the engine at ~2500
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:25 PM   #1131
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That's why I'm offering it. I'm thinking I'll need about a 4.11 gear set to give a top end around 70.

Right now I get 55 with the engine at ~2500
That ratio would be perfect for Sandi's bus.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:28 PM   #1132
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That ratio would be perfect for Sandi's bus.
Any interest in it? I believe Sandi is in Florida? What rear axle does it have? Mine's an N175 I think (and it is my understanding the N190 will interchange).
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:06 AM   #1133
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Any interest in it? I believe Sandi is in Florida? What rear axle does it have? Mine's an N175 I think (and it is my understanding the N190 will interchange).
You'd have to ask Sandi.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:13 AM   #1134
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:23 AM   #1135
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On the engine hoist, call around and ask for a BlueBird hoist. They trailer behind your car and go 10' high. They run a few grand, so rent it for $50

You want the Tip Tow 10

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Off topic, Christopher, your PM box is full
Has been for like a week or more!
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On the engine hoist, call around and ask for a BlueBird hoist. They trailer behind your car and go 10' high. They run a few grand, so rent it for $50

You want the Tip Tow 10

Engine Lifts - Tip Tow 10: ICF Industries: Pleasant Hill, MO

Cool. That looks like it could be very useful, if not a bit overkill.
I've got a buddy who has 2 of the harbor freight engine lifts. I'm thinking i could ratchet strap one to a trailer for more height. A redneck solution, but would cost me nothing. Can't weight more than my mower!
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Old 02-01-2018, 07:50 AM   #1138
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fixed! sorry about that i was on an install in nashville the last 10 days. and it was a big one!!

im thinking a 3.90 or 3.73 would be perfect in mine.. id like to go up to a 245/70 tire just for a little better ride ayt some point so may be a 3.90 or 4.11..

I have a 3.54 now.. cant think of anyone who would want to go that low.. how do I figure out the exacty axle I have? try and read its tag?


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fixed! sorry about that i was on an install in nashville the last 10 days. and it was a big one!!

im thinking a 3.90 or 3.73 would be perfect in mine.. id like to go up to a 245/70 tire just for a little better ride ayt some point so may be a 3.90 or 4.11..

I have a 3.54 now.. cant think of anyone who would want to go that low.. how do I figure out the exacty axle I have? try and read its tag?


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yeah, check for the axle tag.
How much would a hub/wheel swap cost? That thing would be pretty amazing with some 10R's or some 295/75's.
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:39 AM   #1140
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yeah, check for the axle tag.
How much would a hub/wheel swap cost? That thing would be pretty amazing with some 10R's or some 295/75's.
alot of changes to swap hubs.. going much bigger wheels is going to affect the brakes too, possibly even the spindles.. if I keep the small rotors and go to much larger diameter wheel / tire I run the risk of being brake deficient.

I could end up into wheels / hubs / spindles / rotors / calipers / tires.

looking at measurements i might be able to get a 265/70 on my current rims, ill talk to a tire guy again about it.. I dont know what the ramifications of a wide footprint are just to gain height.. will a wider footprint cause me wandering issues on the highway or does it increase ride quality in general?

id want to gear up to at least 4.11 if I want with a 265 tire

even with a 4.78 rear and a 34" (the 265)tire the RPM calc says id be at 1875 RPM in 6th gear at 65 MPH...

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