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11-30-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
I bought a ton of supplies today. Just over $500 worth of lumber, liquid nails, ceramic tile, insulation ect ect...Enough to make the F250 super duty's rear end squat. Well, it has that "new" boiler in the back too.
Tomorrow we hope to make some progress on the bus. Can't get her finished if we don't start working on her a little more diligently.
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11-30-2007, 08:49 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
I don't recall...have you done the ceramic tile before? My fear was always that it would flex with the body and start spitting out the grout, but if I'm wrong I might like to take that route with my bus.
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11-30-2007, 09:46 PM
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Bus Nut
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
I've been wondering the same thing. I wonder if they make some sort of grout that would give just a little bit? I am planning to build my shower. I'd really like to use some smaller, ceramic tiles in there. You know, the ones that are about 2x2". I haven't seen any that are made out of linoleum. I'm afraid that they might start popping out when I'm driving down the road.
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12-01-2007, 04:31 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
nope, never done it in a bus before. Instead of the standard method for ceramic tile, we plan to use construction adhesive to bond the tile to the subfloor...prob luan. Then we're going to use high quality silicone to fill in the spaces between each tile. Seems like it should work. I am afraid that if we use grout and mortar when the bus flexes it'll crack a tile or three. But part of me sais that the bus probably won't really flex, it's pretty tough. I'll let ya know how it turns out.
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12-01-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
you might wanna go with something a little tougher and moisture resistant than the luan. how 'bout marine grade plywood?
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12-02-2007, 09:43 AM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
that's a good idea.
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12-02-2007, 03:22 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
Hmmm...if I can get my propane motor done and find a trailer (I don't want to flat tow that far) that might be all the more reason for me to make an appearance...
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12-02-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
Woohoo!
About 24 Volts: Years ago, I drove 18-wheelers that had 24 V systems with two 12 V batteries in series. The starter ran on all 24 V, and the rest of the truck ran on 12 V off one of the batteries. So I can confirm that this is a workable setup.
As for the redundancy of having two alternators -- I love it! Making brackets is not difficult. Start by making patterns and prototypes of cardboard or hardboard or whatever, then duplicate the final design in steel. Remember to triangulate everything, so nothing can flex. With two alternators, you should be able to rig a switching system that would allow you to operate the bus on either alone. Kind'a like dual tires. You would want a Volt meter on each.
Now, if we could only find a way to mount two starters on an engine!
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12-02-2007, 07:36 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
Switching them on and off might be an issue since it is self energizing. If he had an older alternator with a field input that could be cut off it could be easy. I suppose a person could isolate the mount and switch the ground on and off, collapsing the field in doing so.
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12-02-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
Hmmm... I admit I'm just brainstorming here. I was somewhat thinking along the lines of aircraft dual ignition systems, where you can shut each system off during your pre-flight check so you know the other is working.
Do you mean that it would be a problem to simply open a switch in that one wire? I have a one-wire alternator on my hot rod roadster, but I've never given any thought to how they work. They are most commonly used on boats, I believe. Actually, on the common GM car alternator that I have, the only difference is the regulator itself, which is known at my local auto electric shop as the marine regulator. Commercial grade alternators might be different, I suppose.
Just brainstorming today. Perhaps my brain has Sunday off!
But I'm serious about dual / redundant components -- specially starters. THAT would be a giant leap for mankind.
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12-02-2007, 11:02 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
I was thinking the same thing about the tile. Using silicone instead of grout between the tiles. I'm not so much worried about flexing, as I am about jolts from potholes or bumpy roads. I was planning to use some more sub flooring to build my shower out of, and try to seal it up really well. But it's not a big space. I might spring for the marine grade plywood. It's not cheap though!
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12-02-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
i just re-watched all of the video's i made for the old bus' ebay ad. Can't wait till this bus nears completion and i'm able to go out and shoot a few more videos. they're a lot of fun.
I was actively working on this video when someone used the "buy it now" feature........then i was too excited to finish it!
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12-03-2007, 07:29 AM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
A person could use a switch on that power wire, Elliot. I don't see a problem there. It actually wouldn't be a switch though...it would have to be solenoid or relay rated for 165 amps of continuous use. That's not really a big deal, but they are a little spendy ("spendy"...I'm from Minnesota). The other issue that scares me a LITTLE about those is that they are normally open which means a minor failure somewhere in the line would mean a major failure in the charging system. But...if both are completely separate and redundant that wouldn't really matter, atleast to get you home.
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12-03-2007, 07:44 AM
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Bus Nut
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
it needn't be a solenoid. Just have a bigass heavy duty switch at the battery. This is assuming that the battery is in an accessible place.
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12-03-2007, 09:55 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
I sure hope you all are around with your smarts when I start the electrical on my bus, it's the one part that is voodoo magic to me.
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12-03-2007, 10:35 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
Quote:
Originally Posted by pete c
it needn't be a solenoid. Just have a bigass heavy duty switch at the battery. This is assuming that the battery is in an accessible place.
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Very true. But Elliot got me thinking about an airplane where you can kick off either magneto from the seat...and...well...I like big shiny switches on my dash to control stuff. Skoolie bling if you will...
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12-04-2007, 08:32 AM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
yeah, a schoolie isn't a skoolie if it doesn't have a controll panel that looks like the space shuttle. Lots of chrome toggle switches with led indicators and plenty of gauges.
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12-04-2007, 08:41 AM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
don't forget to add at least one fighter pilot safety switch!!
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12-04-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
I'm planning to totally rebuild my drivers area and make a new panel with lots of switches and lights. I'll work on that this spring.
That's a pretty good bus video. Where's the rest of it? I have been thinking lately about my 5 year bus plan. My wife totally thinks I've lost my mind. Anyways, I'm hoping to have my current bus done by May or June sometime. Well, I don't think that it will ever be done, but it will be ready to camp! Anyways, after that, I want to buy a short bus like a GMC Midbus. That conversion should be quite a bit easier and cheaper I'd think. I want it for a hunting rig capable of sleeping three people. So after that, I want to get the biggest TC2000 I can find. Sort of like Phil's bus. Something that's more economic, faster and bigger! 14 windows at least. I want to convert that bus into a camper as well, but with four bunks instead of two, a dinette, bigger bathroom etc. Once THAT bus is done, I want to take my current bus, gut it, and then turn it into a jacuzzi bus! Somehow, I plan to get all this done in the next 5 years. I could sure think of a lot of uses for a jacuzzi bus.
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12-04-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: Jacuzzi Bus IV
everybody knows there is just one use for a jacuzzi bus.
If younger and single, I'd sure as hell have one.
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