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Old 07-08-2018, 07:49 PM   #201
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I'm not sure I know the difference between a blind rivet and a solid rivet. The rivet in my picture does have a pin through it, as I was able to punch one out to the left of the rivet pictured (out of frame).


I'll see about the air chisel. My last one bit the dust after only a few hours. (Can you tell I'm a tad frustrated? I knew these were going to be touch, but eeyow....)


BTW, I'd like to be able to put the chair rail back on, at least in a few places. The air chisel won't elongate the hole, will it?
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Old 07-08-2018, 08:17 PM   #202
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I'm not sure I know the difference between a blind rivet and a solid rivet. The rivet in my picture does have a pin through it, as I was able to punch one out to the left of the rivet pictured (out of frame).


I'll see about the air chisel. My last one bit the dust after only a few hours. (Can you tell I'm a tad frustrated? I knew these were going to be touch, but eeyow....)


BTW, I'd like to be able to put the chair rail back on, at least in a few places. The air chisel won't elongate the hole, will it?

This video show exactly how to do it https://youtu.be/7NEs9i8Bmoo and it works great. I have a 2HP HF compressor and it didn't quite keep up with the air use but it was close enough that my arms usually got tired before I had to stop for the compressor to pump up.
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Old 07-08-2018, 08:44 PM   #203
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I'm not sure I know the difference between a blind rivet and a solid rivet. The rivet in my picture does have a pin through it, as I was able to punch one out to the left of the rivet pictured (out of frame).


I'll see about the air chisel. My last one bit the dust after only a few hours. (Can you tell I'm a tad frustrated? I knew these were going to be touch, but eeyow....)


BTW, I'd like to be able to put the chair rail back on, at least in a few places. The air chisel won't elongate the hole, will it?
Blind rivet is like what you posted, a solid rivet would be solid, pushed in the hole and the other smashed flat. Maybe someone here can tell me how they do that from the factory. The method for removing them I described was for Solid rivets. Your blind rivet can use a punch to drive the shaft(mandrel) through before drilling. Many times the rivet is aluminum and the mandrel steel, can play havoc on your drill bits. I haven't tried it, but the air chisel method seems to be the best choice from those who have done it.
You took your chair rail down? In this pic you can see blind rivets at the top, solid rivets and screws.
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Old 07-08-2018, 08:48 PM   #204
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This video show exactly how to do it https://youtu.be/7NEs9i8Bmoo and it works great. I have a 2HP HF compressor and it didn't quite keep up with the air use but it was close enough that my arms usually got tired before I had to stop for the compressor to pump up.

Thank you! I'll give that a go after a trip to harbor freight.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:24 PM   #205
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Hi MarkyDee, I've been enjoying your build. I'm curious where you got you bus from? You've mentioned you'd buy from him again but I don't remember seeing a name. Was it a dealer?
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:54 PM   #206
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Marky's Conversion!

What got my huge 1/4 inch solid rivets out the quickest was slotting the rivet head down the middle and then air chisel it off. Very quick and low energy expenditure.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:45 PM   #207
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I have a 30í used school bus, flat face and honestly want/need design help!! Please donít tell me to check Pinterest, I canít seem to find decent layouts for my needs! Any advice? Thank you,
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:48 PM   #208
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Start a thread in the general area and youíll have more luck.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:31 PM   #209
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Another question:


Saw this insulation in another thread:


https://www.insulation4less.com/Insu...Total-10M.aspx


What does everyone thing about my using it on my ceiling (as well as floor)?


Here's my ceiling again (some sort of foam between steel with fiberglass as the roof...):


The more insulation R value on the ceiling, the better. Remember, heat rises. I provided that link. The price for that insulation isn't that bad.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:58 PM   #210
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First, sorry I haven't posted, but last week was "day camp" for our outdoor "scouting" group and this week is county 4H fair week. We are involved in many activities both weeks.



Update on rivets:


The air chisel method works wonders. I had all the mandrels air hammered out in about an hour (about 150 of them). However, I'm stopped at needing a chisel that's about 1/2" or 3/4" wide to fit inside the chair rail at an angle so I can chisel out the heads (and I haven't found such a beast yet). All of my chisels are over 1" wide and don't fit inside the rails, and I don't have a grinder or belt sander to grind one down. My local Menard's and Home Depot don't carry such small air hammer tools, and I haven't found the correct search terms to find the tools on Amazon yet (but I've only had a go or two on Amazon so far).
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:28 PM   #211
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Hi MarkyDee, I've been enjoying your build. I'm curious where you got you bus from? You've mentioned you'd buy from him again but I don't remember seeing a name. Was it a dealer?

Thank you very much! I've had the bus now over a year and have learned so much, but I don't know even a thimblefull compared to many on this site. I'm a licensed engineer in software and really have done nothing like this in my life. I have a few gearhead friends and between them and the people here I think I can convert this bus! But my wife's and kids' support is the most dear to me.



As for where I got it - I found it on eBay, but not from a dealer like Midwest Transport - it was an individual who was a dealer. The fellow I bought it from had bought it along with another from the City of Houston when they rotated out their buses back in 2014. I didn't mention his name due to privacy reasons (I don't have his permission to post his name, but honestly I never really asked him). He probably wouldn't mind me posting his name, but since I don't know for sure then I don't (as I'd want the same consideration...).


If you would like to contact him, I'd be happy to make introductions. Just PM me and I'll get you in touch.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:09 AM   #212
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Check McMaster car for a chisel.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#air-hammer-chisels/=1ds4o43

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Update on rivets:

The air chisel method works wonders. I had all the mandrels air hammered out in about an hour (about 150 of them). However, I'm stopped at needing a chisel that's about 1/2" or 3/4" wide to fit inside the chair rail at an angle so I can chisel out the heads (and I haven't found such a beast yet). All of my chisels are over 1" wide and don't fit inside the rails, and I don't have a grinder or belt sander to grind one down. My local Menard's and Home Depot don't carry such small air hammer tools, and I haven't found the correct search terms to find the tools on Amazon yet (but I've only had a go or two on Amazon so far).[/QUOTE]
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:40 AM   #213
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Well, one of my friends had a bench grinder, so I ground down one of my chisels. Worked like a champ! First chair rail of about 6 off:




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Check McMaster car for a chisel.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#air-hammer-chisels/=1ds4o43

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Next time I need one I'll do that....
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:01 AM   #214
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I also found a bluetooth-to-J1708 adapter that gets my android tablet connected to the computerized bus controllers:


https://bluefire-llc.com/store/6-pin-j1708-adapters


BlueFire also has bluetooth-to-J1939 adapters as well for the newer buses.


For the geeks/nerds out there, BlueFire also has an API for Windows and Xamarin (but, alas, no Linux) should you want to write your own program to access bus information. It doesn't give as low-level access to the communications bus as, say, a NEXIQ, so you won't be doing any drivetrain tuning with it (cadallackid, I'm looking at you...). However, it is a more flexible solution than a ScanGauge.



I've also found that BlueFire support is ready to answer pretty much any question you may have about their adapters - very responsive! The other adapter I tried (CVD XTUNER CVD-6) is made by a Chinese company (BlueFire is here in the U.S.); their software spat out that my bus wasn't supported; and they haven't returned any of my emails in over 2 weeks now.


Below are a few screenshots from my first session with the BlueFire software (my bus was stationary). I haven't set up a "dashboard" in the BlueFire software yet, so these screenshots are of the "informational" screens.






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Old 07-28-2018, 08:31 PM   #215
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Sorry, no pics, but I have all the chair rails off now. Whew. 150 or so rivets to air chisel off, down at my shins. My shins have marks where the rivet heads hit them while flying around....


Thanks for the advice for the air hammer and grinding down one of my chisels.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:31 PM   #216
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Sorry, no pics, but I have all the chair rails off now. Whew. 150 or so rivets to air chisel off, down at my shins. My shins have marks where the rivet heads hit them while flying around....


Thanks for the advice for the air hammer and grinding down one of my chisels.
I'll be using a drill to drill the head till it separates then punch them out.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:08 PM   #217
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Golfer I had the same idea, I hope you have better luck than me. Burned up 2 expensive cobalt bits before I decided to buy an air chisel.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:54 PM   #218
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I'll be using a drill to drill the head till it separates then punch them out.

Trust me, the air hammer / chisel route is much easier. I tried drilling them out, too. I got pretty good drilling out those that didn't have a mandrel in them. The ones that did simply caused the bit to jump around and it never really bit into the metal.


Punch the mandrels out with the air hammer and a punch, then chisel them off with the air hammer and chisel. Works so much better!
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:28 PM   #219
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Well, the front bumper is looking really, really sad. Its starting to come apart (its some sort of heavy, hard rubber or plastic). So much so that I'm wondering if its going to come off while going down the road.


So I called New Flyer parts department to see if they have anything. Nope, no parts, nor do they even have engineering information that I might use to recreate the bumper. It was all purged years ago.



So, guess I find a shop somewhere to fabricate a bumper. Any ideas?
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:56 PM   #220
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Well, the front bumper is looking really, really sad. Its starting to come apart (its some sort of heavy, hard rubber or plastic). So much so that I'm wondering if its going to come off while going down the road.

So I called New Flyer parts department to see if they have anything. Nope, no parts, nor do they even have engineering information that I might use to recreate the bumper. It was all purged years ago.

So, guess I find a shop somewhere to fabricate a bumper. Any ideas?

Bump. Just wondering if anyone has an idea. I was thinking of trying my hand with fiberglass-over-wood to see how well I can do that, but if someone has a better idea, (as Ross Perot would say) I'm all ears!
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