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10-29-2024, 05:51 AM
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#21
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Western MT
Posts: 666
Year: 1990
Chassis: Crown Supercoach
Engine: Detroit 6-71TA, 10 sp.
Rated Cap: 90 (40')
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I don't understand it either. I don't even say "bus" when I leave a message. I tell them I need a clutch adjustment on an Eaton Roadranger transmission, then never hear back. Now that I've done it myself, I see how easy it is (or should be... not sure how the first shop messed it up so badly). It should be an easy couple hundred $$ for these guys. Maybe some of you mechanics out there should move to Missoula, MT, 'cuz apparently there's too much work!
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10-29-2024, 09:51 AM
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#22
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 582
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird Mini-Bird 24'
Chassis: Chevy P30
Engine: Chevy 6.2L Diesel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnibot2000
I don't understand why shops don't return your call for clutch adjustments, replacements or other work. Paying customer is paying customer.
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Probably because your modern auto-shop technician is mostly just a parts-swapper, with a little bit of computer tech tossed-in, and they don't really understand how or why to do those kinds of things, much less have half the experience actually doing it as they have making weird and unique tools to fit all the insanely-tight workspaces in modern engines.
It's kind of like how most modern doctors don't really understand that the pharmacy starts at the farm, and that most health conditions can be solved with a change in diet. Veterinarians (especially large-animal vets) still understand this, but most modern docs are little more than sales-reps for Big Pharma. Also, it's harder in some places to eat a quality diet, but they would really rather simply do as their told and continue the hand-off from the food companies to the pharma companies for whatever illness the foods (that are often owned by pharma conglomerates) cause in the people. It's kind of like how they recently announced that Benzene--a chemical found in almost all skin-care products from a certain group of companies under a conglomerate that also owns a certain pharma company that is expecting to make some record-breaking profits off its new skin-cancer drugs. But that's just me being a bit too tin-foil hat of a conspiracy theorist (a term that was invented by the CIA to discredit people who questioned the JFK assassination, which turns out they were probably right).
If you're looking for preventative maintenance, it's usually best to just learn how to do it yourself, since most mechanics will invariably screw it up, unless you find one of those nice tucked-away family-owned small-shops that still takes its honor as a point of pride. But they're usually slow, and backed-up from everyone that knows them.
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10-29-2024, 10:24 AM
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#23
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tomahawk, WI
Posts: 208
Year: 2001
Chassis: Chevy Kodiak
Engine: 3126B CAT
Rated Cap: 27K
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Get the adjustment fixed and the rattling will probably go away. If you minimize the free-travel to minimum-required-travel you will stabilize the engagement to the throw out bearing and reduce the noise. Is it worn, probably, but letting it flop around free-willy with 1/2 A pedal worth of travel certainly isn't helping.
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10-29-2024, 12:05 PM
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#24
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Western MT
Posts: 666
Year: 1990
Chassis: Crown Supercoach
Engine: Detroit 6-71TA, 10 sp.
Rated Cap: 90 (40')
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Roadtube Vagrant
Get the adjustment fixed and the rattling will probably go away. If you minimize the free-travel to minimum-required-travel you will stabilize the engagement to the throw out bearing and reduce the noise. Is it worn, probably, but letting it flop around free-willy with 1/2 A pedal worth of travel certainly isn't helping.
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The video was taken after the clutch was adjusted to manufacturer specs. There's no noise until the clutch pedal is pressed.
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10-30-2024, 05:14 PM
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#25
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 156
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If you can float the gears you can release the brakes then start it in gear, then a little timing on the traffic lights and you can skip the need for the clutch for the short trip.
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10-30-2024, 06:17 PM
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#26
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2023
Location: Canada
Posts: 660
Year: 2001
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: T444E, Allison 2000
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tejon7
The video was taken after the clutch was adjusted to manufacturer specs. There's no noise until the clutch pedal is pressed.
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Yeah, looking at the video, his clutch is set pretty much bang on without looking at the pedal play.
Always set the clutch, then set your clutch pedal free play through the rods.
I set my buddies clutch on his 197x whatever international that he dragged out of the bush from some guys place in the spring time. By the time I finished setting up the clutch I had 3/4 of the clutch pedal travel in all free play. Where as before the previous owner folded over the pedal stop at the top of the pedal travel and was sitting 3 inches higher then the brake pedal and would only grab at the very top. You were tripping on the clutch pedal trying to get into the truck.
I can set a clutch up inside 30 minutes. That day it took me over 2 hours dealing with that disaster. Spent close to 20 hours with all the fawkery done to that poor truck. Never in my wildest dreams I would have guessed someone would weld a drive line yoke back together around all the other BS found on that truck.
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10-30-2024, 07:30 PM
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#27
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnibot2000
Yeah, looking at the video, his clutch is set pretty much bang on without looking at the pedal play.
Always set the clutch, then set your clutch pedal free play through the rods.
I set my buddies clutch on his 197x whatever international that he dragged out of the bush from some guys place in the spring time. By the time I finished setting up the clutch I had 3/4 of the clutch pedal travel in all free play. Where as before the previous owner folded over the pedal stop at the top of the pedal travel and was sitting 3 inches higher then the brake pedal and would only grab at the very top. You were tripping on the clutch pedal trying to get into the truck.
I can set a clutch up inside 30 minutes. That day it took me over 2 hours dealing with that disaster. Spent close to 20 hours with all the fawkery done to that poor truck. Never in my wildest dreams I would have guessed someone would weld a drive line yoke back together around all the other BS found on that truck.
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Every time I think that I have seen everything stupid that the idiots can do in or to a vehicle somebody pushes the stupid boundary even further.
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10-30-2024, 10:07 PM
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#28
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 582
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird Mini-Bird 24'
Chassis: Chevy P30
Engine: Chevy 6.2L Diesel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shorthair
Every time I think that I have seen everything stupid that the idiots can do in or to a vehicle somebody pushes the stupid boundary even further.
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There is a valuable lesson in this, and that is chiefly, "never underestimate stupid people--alone, much less in groups."
I was military, and I while I'm immune to most of the stupidity, I am still amazed by stupid people, and it just makes me angrier and want to hit the "delete" button. I understand, sometimes, why god sent the flood and wiped out all life on earth.
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10-31-2024, 03:26 PM
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#29
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tomahawk, WI
Posts: 208
Year: 2001
Chassis: Chevy Kodiak
Engine: 3126B CAT
Rated Cap: 27K
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tejon7
The video was taken after the clutch was adjusted to manufacturer specs. There's no noise until the clutch pedal is pressed.
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Yup, missed that link. Looks like you're going to be dropping trans soon. Good luck sir.
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11-02-2024, 07:50 AM
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#30
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Western MT
Posts: 666
Year: 1990
Chassis: Crown Supercoach
Engine: Detroit 6-71TA, 10 sp.
Rated Cap: 90 (40')
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We did some long term planning last night and realized that we won't have any opportunities for long bus trips until next fall. Unfortunately that means no 5 month desert vacation this year. On the bright side, we will have sold our postage stamp property in town and our new place with a 50' x 15' garage bay should be dried in. I think I'm going to put this trans repair off until then. If I have time I'll do the work myself and if not, I'll drive the bus over to the 2-stroke shop in Billings and let them have it for a month or so before hitting the road for another winter in the sunshine.
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