Engine Too Small!? - Page 2

Kinson · 03-21-2019, 12:26 PM

Don't they still stop RV's/private buses for checks? I seem to remember reading on another rv/bus forum and they were pretty scared of the fines. Deleting and making it look legit is probably the more expensive option and the best bet.

PNW_Steve · 03-21-2019, 12:32 PM

I have been pulled over in a private vehicle and had my tanks dipped. If they can do that, I expect that they could inspect your emmissions equipment as well.

Ronnie · 03-21-2019, 01:28 PM

From a legal point of view it is against the law to remove emissions related stuff. I would think a converted school bus would tend to be left alone though. Trucking fleets are a much bigger target, and because they have to stop at weigh stations, they are sitting ducks for the DOT. So mom and pop driving by the weigh station in their bus/RV just are not likely to be messed with. Even in a regular traffic stop I just can not see a cop calling in the DOT unless something seemed really amiss.

Depending on your state, if you have safety inspections, or emissions inspections than it is more likely to have missing stuff noticed.

Booyah45828 · 03-21-2019, 01:41 PM

You don't need annual inspections to be caught.

An officer seeing a puff of black smoke from your rv leaving a stop light is cause for them to pull you over. Anything with a functioning dpf won't pass smoke. Any on road diesel made since 2007 will have a dpf.

In middle america it would likely never happen. Cops just aren't that knowledgeable or motivated to do it. Head to the west coast and the story might be different.

cadillackid · 03-21-2019, 01:50 PM

west coast and east coast would be good bets to get stopped.. up here in ohio everything diesel rolls coal, even the city busses in columbus.. heck I walked by a MaxxForce 7 I-bus and it was fogging for mosquitos before we even have any..
-Christopher

Mountain Gnome · 03-21-2019, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve

I have been pulled over in a private vehicle and had my tanks dipped.

What does that mean? Fuel tanks? Tested for ????
Or DEF tanks?

Never heard that one before....

brokedown · 03-21-2019, 10:29 PM

Presumably dipped to test for red dye diesel.

EastCoastCB · 03-22-2019, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Gnome

What does that mean? Fuel tanks? Tested for ????
Or DEF tanks?

Never heard that one before....

Testing to see if they're using off-road-only deisel.

Ronnie · 03-22-2019, 06:28 AM

Dipping tanks for fuel color is more common in farm trucks, but can happen to anyone. Red diesel is off road, meaning there are no road taxes on it, which makes it cheaper to buy. However not legal for road use as you have not paid the tax for road use.

So if you like to go to cattle auctions best have the right fuel in your tank.

I do tend to think that skoolies are looked at as hippy owned a bit so that perception could lead to being checked for fuel. More for veggie use which also has no road tax on it.

I have not ever been dipped.

Rovobay · 03-22-2019, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Gnome

What does that mean? Fuel tanks? Tested for ????
Or DEF tanks?

Never heard that one before....

DEF is Diesel Exhaust Fluid. An additive to reduce emissions. I think it is standard on all Diesel engines since 2007 or so. Glad my Chevy Duramax is a 2005. I also completely removed the EGR on it too.

Bigfoot18 · 03-22-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve

I have been pulled over in a private vehicle and had my tanks dipped. If they can do that, I expect that they could inspect your emmissions equipment as well.

Ive heard that fine is 10k

cowlitzcoach · 03-22-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Even on a private vehicle with no DOT #'s?

It all depends upon the way in which the laws are written in your home state, county, or city.

Here in WA state the rules are much more draconian if you live in the urban centers rather than the rural parts of the state.

The same holds true in the state of OR.

cowlitzcoach · 03-22-2019, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigfoot18

Yup. BOW DOWN!

More like bend over and grab your ankles.

cadillackid · 03-23-2019, 08:15 AM

DEF wasnt used on everything... DPF filters were installed starting in 07/08 in 49 state vehicles.. california had tougher standards so many vehicles were retrofitted with DPF..

the early REGEN cycles designed to clean the filters injected fuel into the filter and attempted to burn it to clear the filter..

Navistar tried to EGR and double EGR everything to death.. and the fuel burned to close to the cylinders and burned pistons. and UGH!! DEF came along as it helps to neutralize the emissions.. Regen cycles still exist to burn off the particulates or "soot" that is in the DPF.. the DEF helps clean up the exhaust...

technically anyone can be stopped by DOT.. even in a car.. in fact in ohio they used to have random stops for "DOT".. they would check that your cat converter was visually there, your emergency brake worked, lights, signals, etc..

this was for cars, trucks, anything registered in ohio on the road..

I havent seen these stops in many years.. the only inspection for private vehicles we have that is scheduled in central ohio is when you buy one out of state and get it ohio titled, they verify the VIN on title matches VIN on vehicle.. theres not even a safety inspection when bringing it in..

commercial vehicles used in commerce have yearly inspections by the state patrol.

everything else you mail or re-register online.. not even required to show an insurance card to register (just sign a form that says you have it).. yeooow!! no wonder ive been hit twice by uninsured motorists.. yeah they lose their license and get fines but they drive anyway...Grrr!!!
-Christopher

EastCoastCB · 03-23-2019, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach

It all depends upon the way in which the laws are written in your home state, county, or city.

Here in WA state the rules are much more draconian if you live in the urban centers rather than the rural parts of the state.

The same holds true in the state of OR.

I've never used off road diesel but I see local gov't and small businesses filling up at that pump all the time.
Not worth it to me.

PNW_Steve · 03-23-2019, 11:30 AM

The dyed fuel enforcement program was launched in 1994 by the government of the United States. It is run by IRS. Whether it is Washington, Texas, Florida, Ohio, Alabama, or other states, the fine for illegal use of dyed diesel is $10/gallon or $1,000 per violation (a tank with red diesel), whichever is greater. For instance, if 20 gallons of such fuel are revealed in your tank, the fine will be $1,000. Two such tanks will make it double. After the first violation, each repeated one will increase a penalty by $1,000 compared to previous violation, so the total amount of penalty depends on the number of violations. Alaska is the only state having special regulations about dyed diesel, which allow to avoid the fine in some cases.

cadillackid · 03-23-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

I've never used off road diesel but I see local gov't and small businesses filling up at that pump all the time.
Not worth it to me.

wonder if Reefers can run it since the reefer doesnt power the truck

o1marc · 03-23-2019, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cadillackid

wonder if Reefers can run it since the reefer doesnt power the truck

Does the reefer run off it's own fuel supply?

Ronnie · 03-23-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by o1marc

Does the reefer run off it's own fuel supply?

Yes separate tank on the trailer for it.

Not sure if off road diesel can be used in it legally seems it should be able to.

o1marc · 03-23-2019, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

Yes separate tank on the trailer for it.

Not sure if off road diesel can be used in it legally seems it should be able to.

Quick search shows it is common practice to run red diesel in the reefer while not allowed in the drive.

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