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05-01-2021, 01:38 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: New York
Posts: 82
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Me
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Getting rid of old fuel tanks
Hello,
So I've been trying to get rid of these spare fuel tanks that I got from auction. Every scrap yard I've called have told me the tanks needs to be cut in half, I ask them if they do it or if they know of any place that does it and they've told me no.
I dont get how I'm suppose to properly recycle these things if no one wants to take them? I don't have the necessary tools to cut into one, so any ideas?
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05-01-2021, 01:48 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,973
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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what size and how many?
could be repurposed with someone with the know how?
auxiliary fuel tank for a generator or APU and so on?
in the farming construction industry and an auxiliary fuel cell and so on?
repurposing is still kind of recycling.
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05-01-2021, 02:21 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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You really only need to cut holes in them to scrap them. I had a deal with a local propane company. I would cut the bowl ends off them and make fire pits from them. I would return the tube to the propane company and they lt me keep the bowls. I thought they were losing money because the bowls are the heaviest part. Thats when they told me they had to hire a welder to cut holes in them before they could salvage them, what they loose in weight they save on welder. I would run a hose from my exhaust pipe into the tank for about 20 minutes to neutralize the fumes. You can imagine my anxiety the first time I put that plasma cutter tip to the tank. Called my exwife and said if you hear a big boom, hang up and get 911 heading my way.
Site not letting me post my Photobucket pics, been posting them all week. WTF
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05-01-2021, 02:28 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: New York
Posts: 82
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Me
Engine: Series 60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
what size and how many?
could be repurposed with someone with the know how?
auxiliary fuel tank for a generator or APU and so on?
in the farming construction industry and an auxiliary fuel cell and so on?
repurposing is still kind of recycling.
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About 9 feet and 2 of them. I got 3 from auction and only needed one. They were diesel fuel tanks off scrap buses.
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05-01-2021, 03:08 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,973
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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empty diesel tanks with a hole in that has been open for months?
thats not a size i need?
sorry.
diesel fuel require's alot more than a spark to ignite if any fuel at all left in the tanks.
you will need the tools to cut the fuel tanks in your bus construction so might as well buy and learn how to use them on your old fuel tanks instead of a learning muck up on your bus.
diesel is flammable but not compared to others of its kind or gasoline?
if your tanks are not opened then open them and drain whatever residue and let them sit in the drain position for a few days and then cut away.
marc was talking exhaust purge method and it is a thing but normally on gas tanks but not really needed with diesel tanks especially if dry.
keep a fire extinquisher handy if you get scared from a flare up from fuel impregnated in the metal of the tank.
everything i just listed and sometimes full strength vinegar in the tanks especially gas before i cut them up with a torch?
could just tell you i hold the torch over the hole and let it flash but that wouldnt be promoting safety.
for that length of tank i would find a welder that has a full setup on a trailer that is tired of refeuling twice a week?
i added a fuel cell to my work truck just to keep up with the welder and excavator in the same trip?
they can be repurposed just gotta promote them in the correct area and not specifically yours
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05-01-2021, 03:45 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Freedom Field, New Mexico
Posts: 457
Year: 1998
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtrans
Engine: 444E
Rated Cap: 84 pas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
Site not letting me post my Photobucket pics, been posting them all week. WTF
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Marc,
I thought I was the only one with pic problems. I would use my google photos link to try to post the pics in between the [IMG] (link goes here)[/IMG] tag and though I could see the text in the pre post edit nothing would show up. I finally gave up and added the links without the [IMG] The links are visible and can be followed to the pic. Certainly not elegant but at least I can share the pictures.
If you figure out a better solution I'm on the list of those anxious for an update.
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05-01-2021, 03:53 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Freedom Field, New Mexico
Posts: 457
Year: 1998
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtrans
Engine: 444E
Rated Cap: 84 pas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
empty diesel tanks with a hole in that has been open for months?
thats not a size i need?
sorry.
diesel fuel require's alot more than a spark to ignite if any fuel at all left in the tanks.
you will need the tools to cut the fuel tanks in your bus construction so might as well buy and learn how to use them on your old fuel tanks instead of a learning muck up on your bus.
diesel is flammable but not compared to others of its kind or gasoline?
if your tanks are not opened then open them and drain whatever residue and let them sit in the drain position for a few days and then cut away.
marc was talking exhaust purge method and it is a thing but normally on gas tanks but not really needed with diesel tanks especially if dry.
keep a fire extinquisher handy if you get scared from a flare up from fuel impregnated in the metal of the tank.
everything i just listed and sometimes full strength vinegar in the tanks especially gas before i cut them up with a torch?
could just tell you i hold the torch over the hole and let it flash but that wouldnt be promoting safety.
for that length of tank i would find a welder that has a full setup on a trailer that is tired of refeuling twice a week?
i added a fuel cell to my work truck just to keep up with the welder and excavator in the same trip?
they can be repurposed just gotta promote them in the correct area and not specifically yours
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When I was a young Marine at El Toro MCAS I saw the guys from airframes flushing a couple of wing tanks with water. Jet fuel is essentially diesel with antigel and antifungal components. I asked them why they were doing it. They said a couple of hours of water flush makes them safe to weld. Welding is a lot more heat than cutting.
Just a suggestion: If you want to cut a fuel tank and are afraid of fire or explosion, fill the tank with water and go after it with a 30 dollar Harbor freight grinder with a cut off wheel. No chance of fire or explosion. So what if the water spills out?
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05-01-2021, 05:52 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock-N-Ruth
Marc,
I thought I was the only one with pic problems. I would use my google photos link to try to post the pics in between the [IMG] (link goes here)[/IMG] tag and though I could see the text in the pre post edit nothing would show up. I finally gave up and added the links without the [IMG] The links are visible and can be followed to the pic. Certainly not elegant but at least I can share the pictures.
If you figure out a better solution I'm on the list of those anxious for an update.
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I don't understand why it just started. I've been posting pics all along. I tried to post them the same way as always and all of a sudden it won't take them.
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05-01-2021, 07:39 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: arkensas
Posts: 1,076
Year: 1997
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: 71 now 2 humans 1 cat
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i welded lots of diesel and gas tanks. dont be fooled thinking diesel is safe as it hard to ignite the liquid is but the vapor is just as bad as gas. just fill it with water and dish soap or as suggested above run some co2 or exhaust in it then cut away. if the tanks are good try to sell them
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05-02-2021, 10:05 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: New York
Posts: 82
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Me
Engine: Series 60
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Would anyone even want a 9 foot Diesel tank? Where would I even put it up for sale?
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05-02-2021, 11:47 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Plug them and use them for air storage.
When I was searching ways to prevent explosions people were coming up with all kinds of non useful methods. Fill it with sand or water, really, a 500 gallon tank, what happens when you cut into it, what do you do with 500 gallons of sand. Where does the water go when you cut into it?
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05-02-2021, 01:13 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,973
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock-N-Ruth
When I was a young Marine at El Toro MCAS I saw the guys from airframes flushing a couple of wing tanks with water. Jet fuel is essentially diesel with antigel and antifungal components. I asked them why they were doing it. They said a couple of hours of water flush makes them safe to weld. Welding is a lot more heat than cutting.
Just a suggestion: If you want to cut a fuel tank and are afraid of fire or explosion, fill the tank with water and go after it with a 30 dollar Harbor freight grinder with a cut off wheel. No chance of fire or explosion. So what if the water spills out?
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OOHRAH!
never been to El Toro but i have been to dang near all of the rest of them.
03?? almost everything by trade.
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05-02-2021, 01:39 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NM USA KD6WJG
Posts: 1,324
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE 40 FEET
Engine: Cummins 8.3
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List them on craigslist on fakebook. Somebody may want one. If you were in my area I would want one.
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05-02-2021, 04:12 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 994
Year: 1999
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Someone bought the diesel tank from my generator trailer, $50 i think, but it was half full of diesel, so maybe they just bought the 10 gallons of diesel.
One mans junk is another man treasure.
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05-05-2021, 06:38 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: FT WORTH TEXAS
Posts: 14
Year: 1992
Coachwork: WARD / AMTRAN
Chassis: INTERNATIONAL
Engine: DIESEL
Rated Cap: 74
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Where are they?
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05-06-2021, 06:23 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 27
Chassis: Aero- something....
Engine: 6.6 Duramax
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sent the OP a PM
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05-06-2021, 06:42 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,995
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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How thick is the metal on a typical diesel fuel tank?
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05-06-2021, 08:26 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
empty diesel tanks with a hole in that has been open for months?
thats not a size i need?
sorry.
diesel fuel require's alot more than a spark to ignite if any fuel at all left in the tanks.
you will need the tools to cut the fuel tanks in your bus construction so might as well buy and learn how to use them on your old fuel tanks instead of a learning muck up on your bus.
diesel is flammable but not compared to others of its kind or gasoline?
if your tanks are not opened then open them and drain whatever residue and let them sit in the drain position for a few days and then cut away.
marc was talking exhaust purge method and it is a thing but normally on gas tanks but not really needed with diesel tanks especially if dry.
keep a fire extinquisher handy if you get scared from a flare up from fuel impregnated in the metal of the tank.
everything i just listed and sometimes full strength vinegar in the tanks especially gas before i cut them up with a torch?
could just tell you i hold the torch over the hole and let it flash but that wouldnt be promoting safety.
for that length of tank i would find a welder that has a full setup on a trailer that is tired of refeuling twice a week?
i added a fuel cell to my work truck just to keep up with the welder and excavator in the same trip?
they can be repurposed just gotta promote them in the correct area and not specifically yours
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Be careful cutting any container open with any thing that creates sparks. That includes grinder, torches, plasma. Diesel tanks can explode while cutting. The white smoke you see is as explosive as gasoline. I have seen and heard what happens if the white smoke from diesel is allowed to build up and then is ignited. No one got hurt, but that was more good luck than good management.
An old metal recycling fellow around here used to buy old heating oil tanks and cut them in half for cattle feeders. His plan was use a cutting torch and once you start do not stop. If he lost the cut or had to stop the tank sat untouched for a period of time before getting back to cutting to give time for the diesel fumes to dissipate..
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05-18-2021, 01:34 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: New York
Posts: 82
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Me
Engine: Series 60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TXDRP
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Near Poughkeepsie, NY. I only need one and I got three, and I've already wasted money on trying to figure out what do with the other two.
If anyone wants one, please send me a PM.
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05-18-2021, 02:59 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 819
Year: 1993
Chassis: IH 3800
Engine: DT360
Rated Cap: 66
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Sell them. Take pictures and measurements and list them on FB or craigslist. I just gave 800 for a pair of used tanks.
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