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01-02-2019, 10:00 AM
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#21
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Grayson County, VA
Posts: 1,428
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 65
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Originally Posted by Booyah45828
Why did I even bother.
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Hey man, it's not unappreciated by some of us We look at educated answers like the one you gave like it's manna from above. Keeps us from doing things we oughtn't be doing and shortcuts we oughtn't be taking!
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01-02-2019, 03:00 PM
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#22
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Picton,Ont, Can.
Posts: 1,956
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GMC
Engine: Cat 3116
Rated Cap: 72
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Originally Posted by Booyah45828
Why did I even bother.
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Sorry to inconvenience you reading all this. I have no experience in kingpins, couldn't tell one from a clothespin.
We are not all as gifted as others.
John
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01-02-2019, 04:44 PM
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#23
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Grayson County, VA
Posts: 1,428
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 65
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Originally Posted by BlackJohn
Sorry to inconvenience you reading all this. I have no experience in kingpins, couldn't tell one from a clothespin.
We are not all as gifted as others.
John
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Think he was talking to OP, who he advised 10,000 miles ago to do it the correct way.
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01-02-2019, 05:53 PM
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#24
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Picton,Ont, Can.
Posts: 1,956
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GMC
Engine: Cat 3116
Rated Cap: 72
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Originally Posted by Drew Bru
Think he was talking to OP, who he advised 10,000 miles ago to do it the correct way.
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Maybe but does not read that way to me. Thanks for your reply, I have no idea what he means and was trying to understand this repair myself.
John
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01-02-2019, 06:59 PM
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#25
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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there are a lot of different ways to repair things.. I still didnt get how he got a bolt in there without damaging the thing permanently, never able to hold a wedge correctly again...
Jatzy has it right though, Kingpin bushings are a wear item.. the axle is not, nor is the pin itself... theoretically when you notice the play in the kingpins you disassemble it, change the bushings and you dont have to change anything else.. let it go too long and now you start wearing into other parts.. and of course ruining tires at a much faster rate as the alignment is out...
how long will they last? how well are they kept lubed and how clean was everything when it was reassembled and is the Zirk kept clean so when you inject grease you arent injecting abrasive dirt in as well... how rough of roads, how much cornering on rough roads, tires out of balance or bent rims causing a lot of front end shake? all ways king pin bushings can wear faster.
-Christopher
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01-03-2019, 03:58 PM
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#26
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,678
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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John it wasn't about you. If you have questions, by all means, ask away. That's why we're all here, to ask and answer questions. Just don't ask for advice, receive the same correct advice unanimously, and then do the wrong thing.
If you have a bulge in your tire sidewall, and drive on it for 10k miles, does that make it a-okay?
What about bale twine holding together a tie rod end for 10k miles? No problemo right?
Some things you can skimp on, and some you shouldn't. A bolt, no matter the grade used, won't hold the king pin in place properly. The correct draw key will wedge the pin in place holding it securely.
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01-03-2019, 07:15 PM
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#27
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Picton,Ont, Can.
Posts: 1,956
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GMC
Engine: Cat 3116
Rated Cap: 72
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Originally Posted by Booyah45828
John it wasn't about you. If you have questions, by all means, ask away. That's why we're all here, to ask and answer questions. Just don't ask for advice, receive the same correct advice unanimously, and then do the wrong thing.
If you have a bulge in your tire sidewall, and drive on it for 10k miles, does that make it a-okay?
What about bale twine holding together a tie rod end for 10k miles? No problemo right?
Some things you can skimp on, and some you shouldn't. A bolt, no matter the grade used, won't hold the king pin in place properly. The correct draw key will wedge the pin in place holding it securely.
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Thanks Booyah, feeling better but still am an uneducated moron when it comes to front ends and steering components. But I like going under and greasing it all up.
I do believe in doing things right or not at all if possible, so would likely get it towed in if anything happened on the trail.
I have learned a lot though from your comments, as well as Chris and Jazty's also. So thank you all for your inputs.
John
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03-25-2019, 10:39 PM
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#28
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Almost There
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Beoria,Il
Posts: 90
Year: 2002
Engine: 7.3
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i appreciate all the knowledge you guys share but i gambled and everything went good.it could be my death or i kill someone over hundred dollar part. btw i found for myself mcmastercarr ive seen they have some pins.will take a look again.
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03-25-2019, 10:42 PM
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#29
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Almost There
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Beoria,Il
Posts: 90
Year: 2002
Engine: 7.3
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03-26-2019, 06:18 AM
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#30
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,324
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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I have changed a number of kingpins in my life, no hurry to do more.
Tapered bolt the proper one for your axle, please. Risking yourself ok, risking someone else not ok. Get it?
Greasing kinpins, I like to do it every oil change, and if possible I like to jack each wheel up just enough to take the load off so the grease can go all the way around the kingpin
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12-12-2020, 11:49 PM
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#31
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Almost There
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Beoria,Il
Posts: 90
Year: 2002
Engine: 7.3
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hello again another 10k miles,still same thing.
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12-13-2020, 07:44 AM
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#32
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Wake Forest NC
Posts: 508
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Vista 3600
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 24000 lbs
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Originally Posted by KGZ91
hello again another 10k miles,still same thing.
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This new post actually just makes you look a cockwomble
so you're still not dead, bully for you
your repair is still dangerous and incorrect, and honestly you're risking others lives IF it falls apart on the motorway, but hey what do you care. you saved a buck.
and although you are getting away with it I do not see why you need to pop back in here and make fun to the ones that tried to advise you
thats just being a prick
not cool, and next time you ask any questions good luck getting a reply. we'll likely be ignoring your cries for help
but hey, you're the man
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12-13-2020, 08:01 AM
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#33
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Originally Posted by RolesvilleMarina
This new post actually just makes you look a cockwomble
so you're still not dead, bully for you
your repair is still dangerous and incorrect, and honestly you're risking others lives IF it falls apart on the motorway, but hey what do you care. you saved a buck.
and although you are getting away with it I do not see why you need to pop back in here and make fun to the ones that tried to advise you
thats just being a prick
not cool, and next time you ask any questions good luck getting a reply. we'll likely be ignoring your cries for help
but hey, you're the man
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apparently it worked for him.. not something i would want on my bus but apparently the bolt hasnt backed out..
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12-13-2020, 08:07 AM
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#34
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Wake Forest NC
Posts: 508
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Vista 3600
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 24000 lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
apparently it worked for him.. not something i would want on my bus but apparently the bolt hasnt backed out..
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yeah but the rest was not necessary
you lads are helpful, and not deserving of that childish stuff
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12-13-2020, 06:28 PM
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#35
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Almost There
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Beoria,Il
Posts: 90
Year: 2002
Engine: 7.3
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Sorry everyone,I never meant to be rude,I'm just happy that I got away for so long with that.
Ill take a look soon when working season stops and will replace with correct part or buy new truck
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