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10-29-2019, 04:59 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2019
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What are these tanks and valves?
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10-29-2019, 08:42 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Those are air tank names. Valves are probably water drains.
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10-29-2019, 09:04 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
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Year: 1991
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yep those are air brake tanks.. read up on any of number of youtube viseos that bendix puts out on Bendix air brakes. and you'll learn what each one is for.. much better than me explainng it here
-Christopher
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10-29-2019, 09:04 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Northern Virginia
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Year: 2001
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Engine: CAT 3126
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Wet is the incoming air from the air compressor. Primary and Secondary are for the air brakes. IIRC Primary is the drive axle and Secondary is the steer axle but I could be wrong about that. Accessory tank holds the air used by everything else.
The bank of valves is a super nifty thing for draining the tanks. I wish more vehicles had them as you are supposed to drain the tanks of moisture daily as water in an air brake system leads to a number of issues. Buses get neglected frequently because their tank drains generally aren't accessible without crawling under the bus.
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10-29-2019, 09:24 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
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Year: 2000
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Engine: ISC 8.3
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Air from the compressor goes to the wet tank, so named because air coming from a compressor always has water vapor -- it's wet. That water hopefully condenses in the wet tank before the air flows into the primary and secondary tanks.
The primary system probably feeds air to the rear axle brakes and the secondary system feeds air to the front axle brakes. The brake pedal controls the air to both circuits at the same time, keeping them separate so that if something fails in one brake system the other system remains functional.
Finally, (if I remember correctly) the accessory tank would be fed off either the primary or the secondary tank. It uses a protection valve so air flows to the accessory tank only when the feeding tank has pressure above some level. This is so that if the compressor is impaired or fails outright while driving the accessories will be starved for air before the brakes are.
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10-29-2019, 11:01 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2019
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This bus has air ride, front and rear, as well. I imagine that it gets its air from the "accessory" tank.
I hear air blowing off every so often, so I am thinking there must be an air dryer somewhere that drys the air for the brakes at least. Where does that usually fit into the air system?
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10-29-2019, 11:21 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
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If you're getting an occasional discharge of air that lasts half-a-second or so, it's likely an air dryer doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. Many are set up to "purge" each time the air compressor "cuts-out" (reaches full pressure and stops compressing more air). "Cut-in" is naturally the opposite, the pressure threshold at which the compressor resumes compressing air (typically 90-100 PSI).
Brakes usually draw off the primary and/or secondary tanks. The accessory tank may have a protection valve (and many of the accessories will draw off the "protected" system), basically this protection valve opens/shuts around 60-80 PSI and is designed to maintain a reserve for the brakes in case something breaks and a major air loss occurs (including the air ride suspension).
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10-29-2019, 11:23 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wrenchtech
This bus has air ride, front and rear, as well. I imagine that it gets its air from the "accessory" tank.
I hear air blowing off every so often, so I am thinking there must be an air dryer somewhere that drys the air for the brakes at least. Where does that usually fit into the air system?
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The drier is plumbed in between the wet tank and the other tanks. Not a bad idea to see when the air dryer element was last changed. Vehicles in regular service should have the air driers changed yearly. If you get moisture to drain out of your primary, secondary or accessory tank then the air drier element needs to be replaced.
Ted
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10-30-2019, 06:03 AM
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Bus Geek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TJones
The drier is plumbed in between the wet tank and the other tanks. Not a bad idea to see when the air dryer element was last changed. Vehicles in regular service should have the air driers changed yearly. If you get moisture to drain out of your primary, secondary or accessory tank then the air drier element needs to be replaced.
Ted
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I had my air dryer cartridges replaced when I first got my bus; the mechanic that did it said it was likely that they had never been replaced before (bus is a 2003). I suspect I'm going to need a new air system before long.
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10-30-2019, 08:49 AM
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Bus Geek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TJones
The drier is plumbed in between the wet tank and the other tanks. Not a bad idea to see when the air dryer element was last changed. Vehicles in regular service should have the air driers changed yearly. If you get moisture to drain out of your primary, secondary or accessory tank then the air drier element needs to be replaced.
Ted
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Driers are plumbed between the compressor and the wet tank. Not all buses are equipped with driers.
The cartridges should be changed yearly if used in regular service, however, most buses on here aren't used that frequently so the service interval can be extended.
For instance, I've never serviced mine. The bus isn't used enough, and I drain the tanks before and after using it.
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10-30-2019, 09:39 AM
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Bus Nut
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyah45828
Driers are plumbed between the compressor and the wet tank. Not all buses are equipped with driers.
The cartridges should be changed yearly if used in regular service, however, most buses on here aren't used that frequently so the service interval can be extended.
For instance, I've never serviced mine. The bus isn't used enough, and I drain the tanks before and after using it.
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Your right air drier before wet tank. Maybe it is only a "wet" tank if there is no air drier. Other diagrams just call it a "supply" tank. I think the purpose of a wet tank if there is no drier is to have a place for the air to cool and condense the water before it gets I to the brake system.
Ted
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10-30-2019, 03:25 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
I had my air dryer cartridges replaced when I first got my bus; the mechanic that did it said it was likely that they had never been replaced before (bus is a 2003). I suspect I'm going to need a new air system before long.
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It's probably not as bad as you think. Drain the tanks and service the system, replace things as they fail (which should be rarely as air systems are pretty robust).
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJones
Your right air drier before wet tank. Maybe it is only a "wet" tank if there is no air drier. Other diagrams just call it a "supply" tank. I think the purpose of a wet tank if there is no drier is to have a place for the air to cool and condense the water before it gets I to the brake system.
Ted
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Even with an air dryer, it's not a "moisture eliminator", there will still be some water get into the wet tank, just much less of it.
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11-03-2019, 01:09 AM
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Bus Nut
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Open those valves to drain your tanks daily and leave it stored with the valves open to keep moisture out of the system.
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