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Old 12-02-2024, 09:39 PM   #1
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2000 to end C code ecm t444e

Just doing some reading on my C-code ECM. Looks like the 250 HP code may have been dropped and maxed out at 230 HP. They also under rated the HP ratings on all but 1 rating. 195 HP rating. Furthermore it claims they all ran the same waste gated turbo. I installed an EGT gauge before we got cold and now have the bus put away for the winter. Will have to check this out come spring.



Power & Torque
HP Rating Peak Power Peak Torque Redline
175 HP 184 @ 2,200 RPM 460 @ 1,400 RPM 2,600 RPM
195 HP 195 @ 2,300 RPM 520 @ 1,400 RPM 2,600 RPM
210 HP 215 @ 2,400 RPM 540 @ 1,500 RPM 2,600 RPM
215 HP 225 @ 2,200 RPM 560 @ 1,400 RPM 2,600 RPM
230 HP 238 @ 2,300 RPM 620 @ 1,400 RPM 2,600 RPM

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Old 12-03-2024, 12:41 AM   #2
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It completely explains why my AT545 slips on anything above it's 165HP rating. The AT545 only has 440 ft/lb torque. When I bumped my engine above that torque rating it slipped. When I put it back to 165 HP I haven't slipped after driving 1600 miles on it, not even once.

And it explains why International stated to me they couldn't do an engine power upgrade on the ECM.

Even the 175HP rating is above the AT545 spec.
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Old 12-03-2024, 05:42 AM   #3
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It completely explains why my AT545 slips on anything above it's 165HP rating. The AT545 only has 440 ft/lb torque. When I bumped my engine above that torque rating it slipped. When I put it back to 165 HP I haven't slipped after driving 1600 miles on it, not even once.

And it explains why International stated to me they couldn't do an engine power upgrade on the ECM.

Even the 175HP rating is above the AT545 spec.

Anything with a C code ECM the torque listed was increased. Do not use this list as a comparison

I found the B code ECMs had lower torque figures, with that said they also had a higher rated engine if I remember that went to 250hp and 650 tq. However for the standard ratings they topped out at 485tq.

Your EFRC codes do not list feet torque. If I use the B code rating you can use 2151. 175hp/430 tq.

EFRC 2161 is 190hp, 485 tq

I thought the 545 could handle more tq. 440ft is low.
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Old 12-03-2024, 08:01 AM   #4
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Anything with a C code ECM the torque listed was increased. Do not use this list as a comparison

I found the B code ECMs had lower torque figures, with that said they also had a higher rated engine if I remember that went to 250hp and 650 tq. However for the standard ratings they topped out at 485tq.

Your EFRC codes do not list feet torque. If I use the B code rating you can use 2151. 175hp/430 tq.

EFRC 2161 is 190hp, 485 tq

I thought the 545 could handle more tq. 440ft is low.

interesting on the C code ECM.. ive seen later docs that didnt seem to mention the 250 HP variant... whats interesting is my original ECM 'B' for my ESN took the EFRC for the 230 and the 250 and there was definitely a difference in butt-dyno feel as well as boost and GPH of fuel between the 2.. non waste gated turbo being used.. from what i understand the High torque never used a non wastegated turbo.. only the standard torque variants.. when I have looked up various turbos on repairlink for different VINs the GT37 appeared to be used up through at least 00/01 on the high torque variants.. then later it seems the same wastegated GTP38 turbo was used on all of them for the last couple years..

the GT37 turbo is a reverse rotation and therefore used different piping and up-pipes than any for the 38 models...



fords used a similar turbo all along except in the vans.. apparently the ford vans had the reverse rotation turbo in all years simply due to space (this is what I was told).


I ended up using a 2004 ECM with the VIN from a 2004 truck that had a 210 HP engine serial number.. I then turned it up to the 250 setting and had great power,, I dont have a lot of experience other than a couple road trips as I started beta testing the Orion shortly after.. the Orion is really nice.. and can be tuned custom if you so choose..



using the god mode servicemaxx and a real subscription to NavKal you can code an ECM (single box) to anything you want it to be, change the VIN and engine serial number to the desired values using god mode service maxx, then connect it to NavKal (internet enabled). and it will download the latest calibration sets from navistar... it wont however update the firmware itself.. apparently there was no field firmware updates.. what I found is that the later years of single box ECM's have much better cold weather behaviour than the earlier years.. one reason I chose a 2004 ECM to use in mine.. after I got the orion I let me NavKal expire last year as i hadnt used it but twice in 2 years to program ECM;s for friends.. and its not cheap.. (and no one seemed to want to pay me much to program their computers)...



Nikitis - one thing I wonder is on your AT545 is the modulator working correctly... you should easily be able to run the 210 setting on an AT545 and not slip it.. however if the modulator is not ever turning on then you definitely would slip it on the 210 setting.. im on a business trip sp havent had a chance to answer your messages... also been trying to troubleshoot possibly a blown head gasket on my DT360. when you bury the pedal in the floor your 545 should shift at close to 2400-2600 RPM... at light throttle it should shift at much lower RPM. if it always shifts at lower RPM then your modulator isnt working..
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Is there a physical test to tell if it's working or not? Like with a multi-meter?
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Old 12-04-2024, 07:02 AM   #6
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Is there a physical test to tell if it's working or not? Like with a multi-meter?
Check this link out

https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f33/a...ory-35465.html
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