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04-01-2019, 11:02 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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96 or 2002 international 3800?
The school district I live in is selling off old fleet and they have a few left. I have the option of a 96 or 2002 international 3800. Both with dt466 and Alison mt643 transmissions.
The 2000 has an electric driveline retarder and is about $500 more than the 96.
I haven’t looked at them yet and don’t know mileage on either of them yet, but wondering some pro’s and cons between the two.
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04-01-2019, 12:26 PM
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#2
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Both sound real tempting.
I'd have to go for the one with the retarder if traveling in the mountains is the plan.
OTOH the 96 is mechanical.
I'd probably go for the retarder.
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04-01-2019, 01:48 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,707
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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I'd go with the mechanical.
I don't put more then a few hundred miles on per year, and none of it is mountainous, so an electric retarded wouldn't have much use for me.
Therefore I'd choose the reliability and cheaper operating costs of a mechanical.
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04-01-2019, 01:52 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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The retarder is nice. I’d also take into account your mechanical abilities, the type of driving you expect to do, the overall condition of both vehicles and if possible, the hours on each engine. All things considered, and if everything else was equal save for the computerized vs. non-computerized engine, I’d choose the non-computerized engine. My time in the Army working on equipment has taught me that the simpler things can be made, the less stressful servicing and operating the equipment is.
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04-01-2019, 02:02 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Both sound real tempting.
I'd have to go for the one with the retarder if traveling in the mountains is the plan.
OTOH the 96 is mechanical.
I'd probably go for the retarder.
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The all mechanical machine is awfully tempting for sure. I am accoustomed to mechanical Cummins engines already so I am familiar with the setup, albeit not exactly the same. But many similarities.
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04-06-2019, 08:58 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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Well, the seller got the years wrong.
One was a 87 with dt466 and driveline retarder.
Another was a 91 dt466. No retarder.
Last was a 94 dt466 with retarder.
Soooooooo.........I just bought all 3 🤣
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04-06-2019, 09:45 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmlcolorado
Well, the seller got the years wrong.
One was a 87 with dt466 and driveline retarder.
Another was a 91 dt466. No retarder.
Last was a 94 dt466 with retarder.
Soooooooo.........I just bought all 3 🤣
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Nice work!
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04-07-2019, 01:11 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Wonderful! Are you planning on selling some off?
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04-07-2019, 07:11 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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that one on the left is a CLASSIC.. S-series.. one of my favorite chassis.. I rode an 86 just like this to school every day when it was brand new..
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04-07-2019, 08:14 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
Wonderful! Are you planning on selling some off?
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Yeah I’ll sell two of them
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04-07-2019, 08:23 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmlcolorado
Yeah I’ll sell two of them
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I've been wanting a mechanical DT with a retarder in a rust-free bus for a while now.
Keep me posted on these!
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04-07-2019, 09:04 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I've been wanting a mechanical DT with a retarder in a rust-free bus for a while now.
Keep me posted on these!
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The 87 has the retarder and it works well. I was quite surprised at how well it slowed the bus! I have it posted locally on Craigslist and Facebook now.
https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/elizabeth-1987-international-s1800/6859870738.html
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04-07-2019, 09:32 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmlcolorado
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Man, you're selling yourself short. That's a nice bus you got there. I'd start it for like 5 or 6 grand at least. CO and FL are two places its easy make money selling a bus.
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04-07-2019, 09:47 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmlcolorado
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good looking bus
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04-07-2019, 09:47 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Man, you're selling yourself short. That's a nice bus you got there. I'd start it for like 5 or 6 grand at least. CO and FL are two places its easy make money selling a bus.
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Honestly, I’m not looking to make a million bucks off the deal. I got all three for a song, so if I can help someone out, I’m more than willing.
It is pretty clean and since it’s een in Colorado all it’s life, is not rusty.
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04-07-2019, 09:59 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmlcolorado
Honestly, I’m not looking to make a million bucks off the deal. I got all three for a song, so if I can help someone out, I’m more than willing.
It is pretty clean and since it’s een in Colorado all it’s life, is not rusty.
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I've personally BID more than your asking price on just such a bus. Sight unseen aside from three grainy pics.
Hell, I got five grand for a shorty with a 444E/545 from Aurora CO.
I hear ya, though. If you're still making a buck that's cool. You could make a few more, though.
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04-11-2019, 09:01 PM
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#17
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Hager City WI
Posts: 36
Year: 1996
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT 466 Mechanical spicer 6+1. & 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 65
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retarder
what is a retarder, what does it do and what does it look like?
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04-11-2019, 09:12 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexzckary
what is a retarder, what does it do and what does it look like?
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It helps control your speed going downhill. Unless, of course, someone *wants* a runaway bus on a steep hill. Also reduces brake wear over time if used responsibly.
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04-11-2019, 10:33 PM
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#19
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexzckary
what is a retarder, what does it do and what does it look like?
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It’s a large electromagnet brake built onto the drive shaft.
It has 4 stages each one brakes a little more than the last. With number 4 being substantial. Enough that you wouldn’t use it on wet or icy conditions as it could lock up the rear axle.
They are impressive.
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04-13-2019, 01:58 AM
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#20
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Hager City WI
Posts: 36
Year: 1996
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT 466 Mechanical spicer 6+1. & 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 65
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Thank you!
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