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02-09-2022, 01:14 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Iowa City, IA
Posts: 642
Year: 2006
Chassis: IC CE300 (PB105)
Engine: DT466e @245hp | Allison 3000PTS
Rated Cap: 66
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IC Bus Rear-Engine Compartment Door Key
I've had very little luck searching.... I have a 2005 IC RE300 which has a square-key to open the rear-engine compartment access doors. It appears to be about 7.5mm or so in size since both a 7mm and 1/4 allen key are too small and an 8mm and 3/8 are both too big). I saw another old thread on this site about finding a Crown or VW key but none of the product descriptions seem to quite match.
I asked a couple of truck-supply places in my area I frequently buy parts from and they had no idea. My local international dealer couldn't find what I was talking about in their parts catalog and want me to bring the bus in... for a fee. The common suggestion via Google of using of a socket ratchet doesn't work either, doesn't quite fit.
Any suggestions on what to search for to find a replacement? I'm getting by with a flat-head screwdriver but it takes a little finangling, and other individuals whom I sometimes need to access that compartment struggle more than just a little bit... would be easier with the proper key
I found a pry-bar at Harbor-freight that the handle almost matches up if I use an angle-grinder to cut off the end... but that's quite an ugly workaround - this really shouldn't be that difficult!
TIA
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02-10-2022, 05:33 PM
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#2
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New Member
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 9
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I have the same square key to open. My bus had one in the clipboard compartment to the left of the driver seat under the armrest but I would say 90% of the time I just end up using a 3/8 flathead screwdriver. I think your idea of using a harbor freight pry bar ground down would also be a good solution. Good luck!
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02-10-2022, 10:42 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2018
Location: topeka kansas
Posts: 1,778
Year: 1954
Coachwork: wayne
Chassis: old f500- new 2005 f-450
Engine: cummins 12 valve
Rated Cap: 20? five rows of 4?
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square key
Have you checked with the places that sell school bus parts? This sounds like like just the kind of special stuff they sell.
william
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02-11-2022, 04:44 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Near Flagstaff AZ
Posts: 1,951
Year: 1974
Coachwork: Crown
Chassis: "Atomic"
Engine: DD 8V71
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It should be a 5/16th inch square and a key like this ought to be the right thing:
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02-11-2022, 06:53 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,362
Year: 1990
Coachwork: Crown, integral. (With 2kW of tiltable solar)
Chassis: Crown Supercoach II (rear engine)
Engine: Detroit 6V92TAC, DDEC 2, Jake brake, Allison HT740
Rated Cap: 37,400 lbs GVWR
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How about a stepped square-shank tool for toilet valve seats (I think)? They're in Home Despot / Lowes / Ace / etc for a few bucks.
I recently bought a VW engine door key to keep as a spare for my Crown, but it's smaller diameter (and shorter) than a genuine Crown key, so it doesn't work quite right in Crowns that use A.L.Hansen 46 compartment latches with a 5/16" square hole.
John
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02-11-2022, 08:07 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Freedom Field, New Mexico
Posts: 459
Year: 1998
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtrans
Engine: 444E
Rated Cap: 84 pas
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Key for the engine bay doors, RE International
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbacks2k4
I've had very little luck searching.... I have a 2005 IC RE300 which has a square-key to open the rear-engine compartment access doors. It appears to be about 7.5mm or so in size since both a 7mm and 1/4 allen key are too small and an 8mm and 3/8 are both too big). I saw another old thread on this site about finding a Crown or VW key but none of the product descriptions seem to quite match.
I asked a couple of truck-supply places in my area I frequently buy parts from and they had no idea. My local international dealer couldn't find what I was talking about in their parts catalog and want me to bring the bus in... for a fee. The common suggestion via Google of using of a socket ratchet doesn't work either, doesn't quite fit.
Any suggestions on what to search for to find a replacement? I'm getting by with a flat-head screwdriver but it takes a little finangling, and other individuals whom I sometimes need to access that compartment struggle more than just a little bit... would be easier with the proper key
I found a pry-bar at Harbor-freight that the handle almost matches up if I use an angle-grinder to cut off the end... but that's quite an ugly workaround - this really shouldn't be that difficult!
TIA
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We have two International AMTRANS RE Busses. They have a door on either side of the engine bay. The door key is a square bar on a T handle. I only know this because one of the guys who did his roof raise here had such a key. Its not an international part. Its a bus chassis part. In our case we solved it by buying a three pack of gasket scrapers from Harbor freight. They look like a screw driver with a chisel end. I cut the end off of one and with a little grinding it fits perfectly. It has a nice screwdriver type handle and is easy to use.
we stick it to a magnet on the header above the dash so it is always easy to find.
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02-13-2022, 01:33 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Iowa City, IA
Posts: 642
Year: 2006
Chassis: IC CE300 (PB105)
Engine: DT466e @245hp | Allison 3000PTS
Rated Cap: 66
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Wound up cutting off a couple of those pry bars. Gets the job done I guess!
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02-13-2022, 04:06 AM
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#8
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,607
Year: 1996
Coachwork: AmTran (Now Navistar)
Engine: DT444E (7.3L) International
Rated Cap: 31,800 pounds
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Well I have a 96 AmTran with the square key. Was going to measure it tomorrow. A piece of square stock (tube or solid) should be all that was needed. Weld on a cross piece or bend a 90.
I want a bit more security for mine so I'll be looking at a way to lock those doors once I get the grills in for air breathing (pulling the high intakes for bedroom space inside) and see what's left to work with. Maybe a solenoid type lock, maybe some sort of key.
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02-23-2022, 05:40 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Winnemucca, NV/Reno NV
Posts: 186
Year: 2003
Coachwork: 2003 Thomas E-350 shorty
Chassis: E350
Engine: 7.3 Powerstroke
Rated Cap: 24
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Plumbing key
plus one on the toilet?? valve/key. I've had 2 Gilligs. True Value hardware in my little town had those keys in the plumbing aisle. Cheap and worked fine for all the bays. As I recall they have the square end, and a longer angles piece to use as a handle.
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If it isn't grown, it has to be mined
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02-23-2022, 08:02 PM
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#10
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,607
Year: 1996
Coachwork: AmTran (Now Navistar)
Engine: DT444E (7.3L) International
Rated Cap: 31,800 pounds
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Measured the square "key" for my '96 AmTran and it's 5/16" square
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YouTube: HAMSkoolie WEB: HAMSkoolie.com
We've done so much, for so long, with so little, we now do the impossible, overnight, with nothing. US Marines -- 6531, 3521. . . .Ret ASE brakes & elect. Ret (auto and aviation mech). Extra Class HAM, NAUI/PADI OpenWater diver
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02-23-2022, 08:21 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,835
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HamSkoolie
Measured the square "key" for my '96 AmTran and it's 5/16" square
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interesting.. same key as the battery box in my Superior Loadstar uses
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02-24-2022, 09:55 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 93
Year: 2000
Coachwork: AmTran RE
Chassis: Iternational
Engine: DT530E MD3060
Rated Cap: 80
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I went on amazon and bought this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
works like a charm
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03-02-2022, 07:23 PM
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#13
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Iowa City, IA
Posts: 642
Year: 2006
Chassis: IC CE300 (PB105)
Engine: DT466e @245hp | Allison 3000PTS
Rated Cap: 66
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In case anyone in the future is searching....
The official name is "HANDLE, T ENGINE ACCESS DOOR"
and part number is 431186001
For that price I'll stick with my cut-off pry bar
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03-03-2022, 02:53 AM
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#14
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,607
Year: 1996
Coachwork: AmTran (Now Navistar)
Engine: DT444E (7.3L) International
Rated Cap: 31,800 pounds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbacks2k4
In case anyone in the future is searching....
The official name is "HANDLE, T ENGINE ACCESS DOOR"
and part number is 431186001
For that price I'll stick with my cut-off pry bar
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Awwww You can get an original (new) for just $29.99 on Flea bay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115146343192
I think I'd stick with the prybar too. LOL
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YouTube: HAMSkoolie WEB: HAMSkoolie.com
We've done so much, for so long, with so little, we now do the impossible, overnight, with nothing. US Marines -- 6531, 3521. . . .Ret ASE brakes & elect. Ret (auto and aviation mech). Extra Class HAM, NAUI/PADI OpenWater diver
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10-23-2022, 09:58 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 4
Year: 2005
Coachwork: International
Chassis: RE300
Engine: DT466e
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Bus "Church key"
I have an RE300, same issue. I found this was popular on air cooled vw bus styles in the 60's-70's. Search for "bus church key"
https://socalautoparts.com/product/c...RoCP-cQAvD_BwE
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10-23-2022, 10:00 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 4
Year: 2005
Coachwork: International
Chassis: RE300
Engine: DT466e
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Church key
This is what you're looking for:
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10-23-2022, 10:18 AM
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#17
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Middle TN
Posts: 155
Year: 2008
Chassis: IC RE (PB30500)
Engine: Maxxforce DT
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I just use anything that fits, a car key, screwdriver. I've even used a rock before.
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2008 IC RE 40ft w/ Maxxforce DT and Allison 3000 PTS for fulltime living w/ a family of four.
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10-24-2022, 08:37 AM
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#18
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Iowa City, IA
Posts: 642
Year: 2006
Chassis: IC CE300 (PB105)
Engine: DT466e @245hp | Allison 3000PTS
Rated Cap: 66
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My $3-ish harbor freight pry bar with the tip cut off is still performing awesome to this day
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11-02-2022, 07:00 PM
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#19
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Anywhere we can park (currently PA)
Posts: 134
Year: 2004
Coachwork: International
Chassis: RE300
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 76
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I used a 5/16" shed handle from Lowe's. Works like a charm! I did always wonder what that thing was actually called...looks like I learned something new today!
Jeremy
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11-03-2022, 10:49 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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These you can put in and lock,just found them in garage.
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