Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 04-28-2020, 12:07 PM   #1
Bus Nut
 
TheHubbardBus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Hotzona
Posts: 932
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: 3800
Engine: Navistar T444e
Rated Cap: 24
Questions about free ServiceMaxx software & adapters

So thanks to this forum I know there's free (level 1) servicemaxx software available for pre-2003 internationals, & I've already downloaded it from here. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on putting together the rest of what I need (adapter, PC), & am unclear on a few points (bus: 2003 IC 3800 w/ t444e & Allison 2000):

1) The min system requirements list MS Vista or 7 as the required OS. Can anyone confirm or deny that later versions of windows (in particular Win10) are suitable as well w/o conflict?

2) According to the user manual linked to at the bottom of the above-referenced page, you must remove the Java Runtime Engine & replace w/ JRE 6, update 10 (page 6). Would this be a requirement with later windows versions (like 10?). If so, would this break 10, or even be possible?

3) The same user manual refers to a registration process that must be completed before the software is activated (also page 6). Is this the case with this version? Is this the 'Lite' version where this process is not required?

4) Is there any reason I'd want/need to run this in a VM, and/or prevent internet access?

5) I'm considering either the DG DPA 5 or Nexiq USB-Link 2. They're both at approximately the same price point. Is there anything putting one above the other?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

@cadillackid




__________________
-Sharon & Jody
Mr Beefy Short Bus Acquisition & Build Thread
TheHubbardBus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 12:26 PM   #2
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 12,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
servicemaxx will def run on windows 10, and since its the free version theres no reason not to let the PC have internet access.



the adapter. many are using the chinese knockoffs without issue. generally it is just looking for an RP1210 adapter.. I have the real usblink2. and it was expensive. others can chime in wit hthe adapters they are using.. possibly save you some $$ over the real nexiq device
cadillackid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 12:38 PM   #3
Bus Nut
 
TheHubbardBus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Hotzona
Posts: 932
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: 3800
Engine: Navistar T444e
Rated Cap: 24
Coolio. Thanks so much!

Looking around I found this. Not a clone, and appears to do everything I want for 1/2 the price of the aforementioned alternatives. I'm really liking this. Anyone have a reason I shouldn't?

https://www.my-grandview.com/store/p...w_USB_Kit.html


Says it's been tested w/ both servicemaxx & Allison DOC, so should be gtg.
__________________
-Sharon & Jody
Mr Beefy Short Bus Acquisition & Build Thread
TheHubbardBus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 01:02 PM   #4
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Central Alabama
Posts: 41
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC/2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12-valve
Rated Cap: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHubbardBus View Post
So thanks to this forum I know there's free (level 1) servicemaxx software available for pre-2003 internationals, & I've already downloaded it from here. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on putting together the rest of what I need (adapter, PC), & am unclear on a few points (bus: 2003 IC 3800 w/ t444e & Allison 2000):

1) The min system requirements list MS Vista or 7 as the required OS. Can anyone confirm or deny that later versions of windows (in particular Win10) are suitable as well w/o conflict?

2) According to the user manual linked to at the bottom of the above-referenced page, you must remove the Java Runtime Engine & replace w/ JRE 6, update 10 (page 6). Would this be a requirement with later windows versions (like 10?). If so, would this break 10, or even be possible?

3) The same user manual refers to a registration process that must be completed before the software is activated (also page 6). Is this the case with this version? Is this the 'Lite' version where this process is not required?

4) Is there any reason I'd want/need to run this in a VM, and/or prevent internet access?

5) I'm considering either the DG DPA 5 or Nexiq USB-Link 2. They're both at approximately the same price point. Is there anything putting one above the other?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!
The software opens with Windows 10 but it is looking for a “RP1210A compatible communications cable”. I can’t find such when searching the internet. If you overcome that and were to connect with a laptop then it seems that you would not need the Nexiq or the DG DPA 5. I believe the DG DPA 5 may have a better warranty and accessories may be cheaper.
BamaBus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 01:16 PM   #5
Bus Nut
 
TheHubbardBus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Hotzona
Posts: 932
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: 3800
Engine: Navistar T444e
Rated Cap: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by BamaBus View Post
The software opens with Windows 10 but it is looking for a “RP1210A compatible communications cable”. I can’t find such when searching the internet. If you overcome that and were to connect with a laptop then it seems that you would not need the Nexiq or the DG DPA 5. I believe the DG DPA 5 may have a better warranty and accessories may be cheaper.

Thank you BamaBus!
I know for a fact you need an RP1210 adapter. You can't just hook a cable from your PC to the data port on the bus. The adapter performs a hardware-level translation of signals sent & received. If that's the verbatim error message you received, I'm guessing they just worded it funky.
__________________
-Sharon & Jody
Mr Beefy Short Bus Acquisition & Build Thread
TheHubbardBus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 02:19 PM   #6
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Central Alabama
Posts: 41
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC/2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12-valve
Rated Cap: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHubbardBus View Post
You can't just hook a cable from your PC to the data port on the bus. The adapter performs a hardware-level translation of signals sent & received. If that's the verbatim error message you received, I'm guessing they just worded it funky.
Dang it. You forced me to read the user guide and now I understand. I have been trying to find a cheaper solution since I want to connect to a '98 3800 with a DT466E and also an '02 BB with a 5.9 Cummins. Thinking about the Bluefire for each but I'm not sure. Thanks for setting me straight.
BamaBus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 05:35 PM   #7
Bus Nut
 
TheHubbardBus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Hotzona
Posts: 932
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: 3800
Engine: Navistar T444e
Rated Cap: 24
@BamaBus,


Here are a couple threads you might find useful (I sure did!):


https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f37/s...ers-30212.html


https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f49/f...ent-29192.html


https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f37/i...44e-15435.html (this is is about the t444e, but there are references to servicemaxx / adapters that still should apply to your application)


Tons more out there I didn't link to. The search function of this forum is miles ahead of many!


I think I'm going to roll w/ the adapter I linked to above (the Grandview). I'll let you know how it goes. Still pricey but not nearly as bad as most. Probably won't be for a while though.
__________________
-Sharon & Jody
Mr Beefy Short Bus Acquisition & Build Thread
TheHubbardBus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2020, 07:17 PM   #8
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 12,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
The BlueFire isn’t rp1210 so servicemaxx or Cummins insite won’t work with it. Bluefire is good for making a digital dashboard similar to the system I made in my bus (only a lot easier than what I went through 4 years ago)

I’m not familiar with the Grandview however I do know allison doc also requires rp1210 so if it works with doc it should be good on servicemaxx also

Christopher
cadillackid is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×