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Old 03-11-2021, 10:58 AM   #1
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Year: 2000
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Chassis: Int'l Navistar
Engine: T444E
Rats nest of wires: Bus electrical

We have a 2000 International 3800 T444E. The engine bay looks like the junk drawer in our kitchen. The electrical panel(?) cover is missing and thereís frayed wires and loose connections everywhere. On the upside, the bus runs and drives. Can someone please help me find (or figure out) what wires I need connected for safety, where to get a cover and maybe how to have a bottle in front of me rather than a frontal lobotomy?

Sorry I couldn't get the picture oriented properly.

Iíve looked at busparts.com, NBP safety, Midwest bus parts and a slew of other sites but Iím not finding what Iím looking for. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:06 AM   #2
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I can send you both the T444E engine manual to you via PDF and email

I also have 2000-2004 RE/FE 3000 series bus leccy manual with all the schematics and other leccy related things

PM your email and I will send

Lobotomy, Ha! reminds me of a song


" To tell you the truth, son...uh...how can I tell you this? Uh...
I've been in this field of poppies a long time myself, and I've come to find, son, that the only truth in life is right here in this bottle."
I said, "Wizard!"
He said, "No, truly, son. In fact, I'd rather have this bottle in front of me than A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY!"
How profound, Wizard! "

Existential Blues - Tom "T-Bone" Stankus
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Old 03-16-2021, 11:21 AM   #3
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I just bought this. Allows you to trace wires. It's a Fluke, good brand, and I'm really impressed with how well it's built and works.

I got it at Lowe's for $72, Amazon for $89.

https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/...per/pro3000kit

The thing about a school bus is the "safety" things for delivering kids (stop sign, crossing bar, flashing reds, etc.) are not needed to "safely" run the actual bus.

Yet, the safety systems are so integrated in with the bus that it's a real project to remove the safety system.

There is a thread for re-wiring the high up flashing alternating red and yellow lights so they are steady on/off.

Things like the crossing guard and stop sign could be traced back to the panel and I think safely disconnected. Each time you take out a wire, make sure the bus still starts and works!

Personally, I like the emergency door interlock system because the bus won't start if the doors sliding locks are engaged. Keeps any potential thieves when the buzzers start blaring and the engine won't turn.

Hope this helps.

Best of luck.
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Old 03-16-2021, 10:11 PM   #4
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I'll check into the Tone Generator and Probe Kit. Thanks for the light suggestion too!!
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Old 06-15-2021, 12:50 PM   #5
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I can send you both the T444E engine manual to you via PDF and email

I also have 2000-2004 RE/FE 3000 series bus leccy manual with all the schematics and other leccy related things

PM your email and I will send

Lobotomy, Ha! reminds me of a song


" To tell you the truth, son...uh...how can I tell you this? Uh...
I've been in this field of poppies a long time myself, and I've come to find, son, that the only truth in life is right here in this bottle."
I said, "Wizard!"
He said, "No, truly, son. In fact, I'd rather have this bottle in front of me than A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY!"
How profound, Wizard! "

Existential Blues - Tom "T-Bone" Stankus
Can I get a copy of that Engine manual too?! I have an 89' International with a rat's nest of wires and would love to avoid as much headache as possible!!!
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Old 07-18-2021, 11:26 AM   #6
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Hey I would love any copy of manuals you have, I’m looking for master chassis diagram or anything that tells me what number codes mean, international said it would cost $700 to access diagrams
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Old 07-18-2021, 01:55 PM   #7
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Hey I would love any copy of manuals you have, Iím looking for master chassis diagram or anything that tells me what number codes mean, international said it would cost $700 to access diagrams
Sure thing mate

I need you to DM me an email address is all

I have engine (service) manual

as well as the entire leccy manual for the FE/RE 3000 series busses

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Old 07-21-2021, 06:36 PM   #8
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Check this link. Plug in your VIN and see what you get.
https://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/Vantage-Home.aspx
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