Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 11-15-2022, 08:49 AM   #41
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Quote:
Originally Posted by headdownlow0624 View Post
Isn't yours a 2006? That book is not accurate for 2006. Reference EGES295-2. But yes, your thumbnail posts are visible.
I have the 295, but it says to refer to the 240 for diagnosis. The 295 tells me how to install and uninstall parts/sensors/etc, but gives me no actual diagnostic procedures nor electrical circuit diagrams. I'll double check, but even my operator's manual says to reference the eges-240 for diagnosis and 295 for service.. I feel like there must be a more up to date revision of the same book, but I can't find it online. I am calling the dealership today.

Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2022, 09:07 AM   #42
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Would it harm anything to unplug x1 from the ecm and turn the key on? I am curious to see if the duty cycle for the turbo changes. As it is, unplugging the turbo solenoid doesn't effect the duty cycle reading on ServiceMaxx.
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2022, 09:29 AM   #43
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Franklin County, NC
Posts: 36
Year: 2007
Coachwork: CE
Chassis: International
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29,500
If you unplug the X1 connector and turn the key on, I do not know what will happen. It's possible the ECM won't wake up, if it gets power through the same connector. I don't understand what unplugging it will gain you. The duty cycle % reading from ServiceMaxx is getting the information from the ECM itself, because it is the ECM which is controlling your VGT actuator. You're seeing the "output" from the ECM to the actuator. If you unplug anything on the circuit and recheck, then you may to see a difference, due to the self-diagnostics of the ECM realizing there is not a complete circuit anymore.
headdownlow0624 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2022, 09:36 AM   #44
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Franklin County, NC
Posts: 36
Year: 2007
Coachwork: CE
Chassis: International
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29,500
If you suspect a short to B+, (with the key off) unplug the VGT actuator and check for voltage between the pin (in the connector, on the harness) and ground. May as well check both pins. Then switch over to resistance and check both pins to ground.
headdownlow0624 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2022, 09:40 AM   #45
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Franklin County, NC
Posts: 36
Year: 2007
Coachwork: CE
Chassis: International
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29,500
I think it's ridiculous that the book allows 5ohms of resistance for a circuit. Most automotive manufacturers specify half an ohm of resistance in any circuit as maximum.
headdownlow0624 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2022, 11:46 AM   #46
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Bought a gas powered generator to put a charger on the bus batteries and our electronics. The International dealership wasn't very helpful with the diagnostic manual info. Most of their stuff is digital now I guess. I've retested the EBP and MAP sensor wiring and will continue when the bus batteries have a better charge. Also with key off, there was no voltage at any pin of the vgt solenoid.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_20221116_114435413.jpg   IMG_20221116_114520684.jpg  
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2022, 05:51 PM   #47
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
It was so windy that I didn't get much done under the hood today. Has anyone used Navistar OnCommand Service info USB flash drive? Is it a subscription, or is 583$ the lifetime total? It is crazy to think of spending so much, but I am not doing so well shooting from the hip.
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 08:25 AM   #48
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Franklin County, NC
Posts: 36
Year: 2007
Coachwork: CE
Chassis: International
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samarath View Post
Also with key off, there was no voltage at any pin of the vgt solenoid.
Good. Sounds to me like the circuit is good.

I have no experience with that flash drive.
headdownlow0624 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 08:36 AM   #49
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 17,563
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
I have an OnCommand set from 2014 and it seems to be a full-ingrained WIndows solution.. it uses an image displayer ive not heard of.. i find it cumbersome to use unless im on a 36 inch monitor.. some ofthe info is good and complete.. others not.. there are some PDF's, I can see if the PDF you need is in it.. are you looking for EGES-295-2?



if you want the whole thing I can probably put it up on MEga or something but its way too long to email or attach to a forum post.. maybe I can share it through one of my cloud storages like icloud, onedrive, google, etc?


so im a bit lost in this thread. but one wuestion i had was does the engine run correctly and make boost when its cold? until the oil temp gets real high? if it does, is it possible that a clogged oil cooler is causing the whole issue? as soon as oil temp reaches a point i know the computer de-rates.. this was done on the later ECM's after people incurred "melt-downs" of the oil filter standpipe on earlier units..
cadillackid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 10:32 AM   #50
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid View Post
I have an OnCommand set from 2014 and it seems to be a full-ingrained WIndows solution.. it uses an image displayer ive not heard of.. i find it cumbersome to use unless im on a 36 inch monitor.. some ofthe info is good and complete.. others not.. there are some PDF's, I can see if the PDF you need is in it.. are you looking for EGES-295-2?



if you want the whole thing I can probably put it up on MEga or something but its way too long to email or attach to a forum post.. maybe I can share it through one of my cloud storages like icloud, onedrive, google, etc?


so im a bit lost in this thread. but one wuestion i had was does the engine run correctly and make boost when its cold? until the oil temp gets real high? if it does, is it possible that a clogged oil cooler is causing the whole issue? as soon as oil temp reaches a point i know the computer de-rates.. this was done on the later ECM's after people incurred "melt-downs" of the oil filter standpipe on earlier units..
The eges-240 that I have is for 2002, and it seems as though there is an edition that covers up to 06. EGES-240 Engine Diagnostic Manual. I would also benefit from any wiring diagrams that maybe available.

Vin# 4DRBUAFP07B427163

I have the eges-295-2 which is the service manual. I truly appreciate anything pertinent that you can find. Also, maybe ELECTRONIC CONTROL SYSTEM DIAGNOSTICS
– EGED 255

The engine seems to run fine. At lower speeds/load, it does well, but the turbo not opening to accommodate anything above that gives me excessive EBP before I get through second gear. I know this is hard on the engine and I imagine that I need to service/bulletproof the trouble areas, but my turbo Duty Cycle is stuck from KOEO through all ranges of operation, and I think that it is a separate issue. Did I mention that with the KOEO standard test, I get DTC 224 SPN 254 FMI 2 FLASH MEM FAULT? That lead me to cutting out the 3 prong plug in the battery box and splicing it with butt connectors and heat shrink. Maybe it all stems from that.
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 11:06 AM   #51
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
ECM dies at the end

There I was back probing x3-3 when the alligator clip touched a heat shield. Now there is no communication with the ECM. I guess it's pretty easy to diagnose the fried ECM based on my observations....lol

Thanks for all the help and we'll let you know how things turn out.
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2022, 07:30 AM   #52
Bus Crazy
 
joeblack5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,379
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
Sorry to hear about all your trouble. Do you know what wire you shorted out? Specifically a 5 volt line for a sensor or a control ( output ) line to an actuator.
If it is a 5 volt line then check if other 5 volt locations have gone down as well.. in that case you can try to replace the regulator inside the ecm.

On the otherhand,...I might have access to a vt365 ecm at the local scrapyard, haven't been there for a while so I would have to check if it has not been cut out yet
joeblack5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2022, 05:40 PM   #53
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack5 View Post
Sorry to hear about all your trouble. Do you know what wire you shorted out? Specifically a 5 volt line for a sensor or a control ( output ) line to an actuator.
If it is a 5 volt line then check if other 5 volt locations have gone down as well.. in that case you can try to replace the regulator inside the ecm.

On the otherhand,...I might have access to a vt365 ecm at the local scrapyard, haven't been there for a while so I would have to check if it has not been cut out yet
Thanks so much for your attention. I shorted the B+ feed from the relay to the ecm. I had the alligator clip on a sewing needle out the back of the ECM harness and while I was climbing up, the clip rotated down into a bracket holding a line from the air compressor. Servicemaxx doesn't see an engine now. I am certainly interested in the salvaged ECM. It is kind of a confusing situation to make sure I am getting the right part. 1839368c2 is the part# on my ECM. There looks to have been a programming code, but it is mostly faded. Up until now, I have been able to limp down the road when someone complains, but now I guess we have to deal with whatever comes. There is a lesson here about preparation, research, and realistic views. I am too tired and cold to appreciate them at the moment, but one day.....

verifysuccess@gmail.com is the way to reach me, and I truly appreciate your helpfulness.
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2022, 11:12 AM   #54
Bus Crazy
 
joeblack5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,379
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
I should be there Thursday and will let you know, good luck in the mean time.. you can try disconnecting the batteries for 10 minutes and see if something gets reset.
What kind of transmission is in your bus?
joeblack5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2022, 11:36 AM   #55
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Franklin County, NC
Posts: 36
Year: 2007
Coachwork: CE
Chassis: International
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid View Post
is it possible that a clogged oil cooler is causing the whole issue?
This is what I suspect. The possible ECM damage is just insult to injury.
headdownlow0624 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2022, 12:00 PM   #56
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack5 View Post
I should be there Thursday and will let you know, good luck in the mean time.. you can try disconnecting the batteries for 10 minutes and see if something gets reset.
What kind of transmission is in your bus?
ServiceMaxx says Allison MD, but...

I just looked up the serial number on Allison's website.
SN 6310646729
ATA CODE 027
Model 2500 PTS

That make sense?
Engine sn: 2y0336580
Rating A215

Gear ratio 5:57
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_20221107_175357495.jpg  
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2022, 08:35 AM   #57
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Quote:
Originally Posted by headdownlow0624 View Post
This is what I suspect. The possible ECM damage is just insult to injury.
Would the oil cooler cause the vanes to close even at KOEO?
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2022, 11:04 AM   #58
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
Oops

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack5 View Post
I should be there Thursday and will let you know, good luck in the mean time.. you can try disconnecting the batteries for 10 minutes and see if something gets reset.
What kind of transmission is in your bus?
We ordered a used IDM/ECM from eBay and had it shipped to the nearest dealership in Reading. I saw your message and I guess maybe I jumped the gun. If you happen across one, I guess we still maybe interested for the sake of a speedy solution. If there is a ray of light shining down on a matching bus, definitely price it for me....lol
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2022, 12:11 PM   #59
Almost There
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Yooper
Posts: 86
Year: 2007
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: CE200
Engine: VT-365
Rated Cap: 29760 GVWR
So I am at the dealership and they were able to get the old ECM booted up. Further investigation reveals a 5amp fuse for "engine electronics". I guess I didn't fry the old ECM, but since they're already into programming the new one, I guess I will see if anything changes with it plugged in. If not, I guess I have a spare. What a humbling experience.
Samarath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2022, 12:16 PM   #60
Bus Crazy
 
joeblack5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,379
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
Having a spare and knowledge and experience is what you have gained.
Was that fuse inside the ecm?

Good luck,
Johan
joeblack5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
327, ic ce, international, loss of power, vt365

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.