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03-23-2015, 07:17 PM
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#21
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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If that oil analysis is correct and no repairs were made, you'll likely need much more than what you have budgeted to get the bus up to snuff.
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03-23-2015, 07:54 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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I say just cross your fingers and drive 'til she dies! Then you can worry about replacement engines. Just keep up on fluids and watch those gauges. If anything feels funny, pull over and investigate thoroughly.
I expected catastrophic failure at some point during our recent trip. My only hope was that it would occur in a warmer climate. Luckily, we had no major problems, but you might as well plan for them just in case!
EDIT: Oh, I just realized you're talking about coolant in the oil. How much is entering? Can you see the level rising on the dipstick? If the oil is being diluted then that is certainly an issue. Spun bearings is no fun...
If it seems minor you may just need to accelerate oil changes bad advice all around, I'm sure...
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03-23-2015, 11:28 PM
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#23
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
I say just cross your fingers and drive 'til she dies! Then you can worry about replacement engines. Spun bearings is no fun...
If it seems minor you may just need to accelerate oil changes bad advice all around, I'm sure...
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Drive it until she dies is definitely bad advice. You can multiply the damage and the cost of repairs.
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03-24-2015, 08:04 AM
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#24
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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How many miles you plan on driving this bus per year?
Most builds take years. My bus will not move under it's own power till the summer of 2016. Convert the shell into a home, and worry about the engine later. Just don't be starting and running it for no reason till you figure out a plan on how to fix it.
The DT 466 can be completely rebuilt in the frame of the bus at a later time.
Nat
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03-24-2015, 06:09 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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If your bus has spoke wheels you are limited to the size rim you can use.
If your bus currently has 20" or 22.5" wheels, that is all that will fit.
On those wheels you can mount many different sizes of tires going from little donut tires to as big a 315's (I doubt 315's would fit inside your fenders). The most common sizes are 10R22.5, 11R22.5, and 12R22.5. The 12R is considerably taller than the 10R and would be an effective OD.
The only thing you would need to determine is if the taller tire will have enough clearance to make turns or if the spacer between the duals is wide enough so that the inner side walls of the duals don't rub.
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03-24-2015, 06:56 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Statesville, North Carolina
Posts: 467
Year: 1993
Chassis: Thomas
Engine: International Navistar DT360
Rated Cap: 60
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This was gonna be a quick build of about a month to be on the road. We're currently diagnosing the problem; gonna do a coolant pressure check and go from there. If I'm lucky it's the oil cooler. Less lucky if it's a gasket. Even less lucky if it's a head. Option 1: buy a kit and fix the engine. My dad's a mechanic, but hasn't worked on diesels. We'll figure it out. Option 2: Keep the good tires, part out anything that's good, salvage the metal for cash, buy a different bus.
It's probably safe to say that my on-the-road eta has been extended by at least a month, but that will be ok.
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03-24-2015, 06:58 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Statesville, North Carolina
Posts: 467
Year: 1993
Chassis: Thomas
Engine: International Navistar DT360
Rated Cap: 60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nat_ster
How many miles you plan on driving this bus per year?
Nat
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Last year we went 25k in four months, so I'd expect at least 35k this year.
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03-24-2015, 08:28 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 125
Year: 92
Coachwork: ford
Engine: 6.6 Ford
Rated Cap: 3
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onenationundergoat
This was gonna be a quick build of about a month to be on the road. We're currently diagnosing the problem; gonna do a coolant pressure check and go from there. If I'm lucky it's the oil cooler. Less lucky if it's a gasket. Even less lucky if it's a head. Option 1: buy a kit and fix the engine. My dad's a mechanic, but hasn't worked on diesels. We'll figure it out. Option 2: Keep the good tires, part out anything that's good, salvage the metal for cash, buy a different bus.
It's probably safe to say that my on-the-road eta has been extended by at least a month, but that will be ok.
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Best to pull the oil pan when you do the coolant check, or at least on the second try(if the first time isnt successful). Leaky liner seals are easy to spot that way.
Your option 1 is good, because a full overhaul kit is around $1800 from IH, or around 1100 online(agkits). Big $$$$ savings by doing it yourself. A 360 is a fabulous engine, just a little under powered for a loaded bus.
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03-24-2015, 08:30 PM
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#29
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Don't trash the bus, especially that 360. They only made them for a few years.
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03-24-2015, 08:43 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Denver
Posts: 489
Year: 1982
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: International S1800
Engine: DT466 Trans: MT643
Rated Cap: 65
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Keep the bus and the 360! It really is a small wonder
If you did an inframe, you'd have basically a new engine--one less BIG thing to worry about.
Rock on!
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03-24-2015, 09:27 PM
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#31
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 1,001
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: International
Engine: TE 444
Rated Cap: 12
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you still need to find out the axle ratio, you can call a big international dealer with the serial number and he will tell you what axle ratio it left the factory with, my dealer actually printed out the chassis build sheet for me on my 97 with all that cool info since you will need to know which rear axle you have to buy a differential with a different ratio
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03-25-2015, 09:00 AM
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#32
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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You have the 170 HP version of the DT360.
You have 6.14 gears which are going to give you a top speed of around 50 MPH.
And you have the Allison AT545 transmission.
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03-25-2015, 01:26 PM
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#33
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Denver
Posts: 489
Year: 1982
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: International S1800
Engine: DT466 Trans: MT643
Rated Cap: 65
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My 466 only make 180 hp
The 6.14 is a bummer though
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03-25-2015, 02:41 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Statesville, North Carolina
Posts: 467
Year: 1993
Chassis: Thomas
Engine: International Navistar DT360
Rated Cap: 60
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If I switch it out for a 4. something would my engine be fine for that? Or even anything midway if there is such a thing?
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03-25-2015, 04:53 PM
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#35
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onenationundergoat
If I switch it out for a 4. something would my engine be fine for that? Or even anything midway if there is such a thing?
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I'm not sure what your asking.
Mine has 4.44 gears. Was that the question?
Nat
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03-25-2015, 04:56 PM
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#36
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Statesville, North Carolina
Posts: 467
Year: 1993
Chassis: Thomas
Engine: International Navistar DT360
Rated Cap: 60
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Would my bus have a hard time with the 4.4 gears? I was asking if there's a 5 ratio or only a 4.4 and mine.
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03-25-2015, 06:50 PM
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#37
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Is NC flat like Kansas?
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03-25-2015, 07:02 PM
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#38
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Statesville, North Carolina
Posts: 467
Year: 1993
Chassis: Thomas
Engine: International Navistar DT360
Rated Cap: 60
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Well there's the Appalachian Mountains... so no. Then there's the foothills, where I live. It's relatively flat but not Kansas flat. Then there's the coast, which is definitely flat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycal
Is NC flat like Kansas?
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03-25-2015, 09:19 PM
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#39
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onenationundergoat
Well there's the Appalachian Mountains... so no. Then there's the foothills, where I live. It's relatively flat but not Kansas flat. Then there's the coast, which is definitely flat.
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I was trying to be funny and not doing a good job. The taller your gears are(lower number, more highway), the more powerful your engine needs to be to keep your bus moving at highway speeds, especially when you hit the hills. If your bus had a 10 speed like some of the older buses, you could keep your rpms in that sweetspot and not lug your engine everytime you hit a hill.
Simplistic answer from the simpleminded.
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03-25-2015, 10:36 PM
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#40
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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My 195hp DT466 does fine with the 4.44's. They would be an improvement for sure in my opinion. You could eke out a few more hp from the engine too to help in the steep stuff.
You definitely want higher gearing for road trips man.
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