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12-29-2019, 09:03 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 153
Year: 2001
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: A3RE
Engine: 3126 Cat
Rated Cap: 33220 GVwR
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Allison Transmission
Well I have been checking all around this bus and I can't find the exact type of transmission.
I have a 2001 Bluebird A3RE with a 3126 Caterpillar engine. The plate on the wall states:
Transmission - 6510257729
However I read in some Bluebird paperwork that it could be:
AT 545
MT 643
MD 3060
or
MD 3066
Could someone help me out?
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12-29-2019, 09:18 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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There's a plate on the side of your trans with this info.
Or call or visit your nearest International dealer and give them your VIN. They can email or print the build sheet that lists all the components of your particular bus.
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12-29-2019, 09:51 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pasadena Tx
Posts: 150
Coachwork: 1991 bluebird
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12-29-2019, 10:18 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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I am not certain that this is consistent but I have observed that buses that have a transmission # on the dataplate starting with 6510 have all had MD-3060s.
Does it have a push-button shifter?
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12-29-2019, 10:34 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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You beat me to it, take pic of the shifter, that'll certainly narrow it down.
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12-30-2019, 07:19 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Weeki Wachee, FL
Posts: 3,056
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: Cummins 5.9
Rated Cap: 72
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Here is hte bus at BlueBird Vantage: Unit Dashboard | Portal
However that transmission serial number doesn't come back with a result at Allison's lookup page.
Pic of shifter is the right plan.
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12-30-2019, 09:09 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,660
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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That serial number came back to an md3060 when I looked it up. If you have a push button shifter, then the md3060 is confirmed.
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01-11-2020, 05:19 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,762
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
You beat me to it, take pic of the shifter, that'll certainly narrow it down.
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you shoulda took a pic of the shifter on that bus you sold. Or was there one?
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01-11-2020, 05:27 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
you shoulda took a pic of the shifter on that bus you sold. Or was there one?
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You're right. You should never believe a single word in a listing or what the maintenance people tell you.
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01-11-2020, 05:31 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,762
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
You're right. You should never believe a single word in a listing or what the maintenance people tell you.
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But you already knew the difference before doing all this. As shown in the quote.
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01-11-2020, 07:13 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,324
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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I have to say I do not understand why folks do not look at the tag right on the transmission. It is the final word on what it is, and easy to do.
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01-11-2020, 08:45 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brokedown
Here is hte bus at BlueBird Vantage: Unit Dashboard | Portal
However that transmission serial number doesn't come back with a result at Allison's lookup page.
Pic of shifter is the right plan.
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This is what I usually do to confirm transmission type. Maybe it’s a 3rd party reman?
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01-12-2020, 12:22 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Socal and Vegas
Posts: 178
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: fs65
Engine: 7.2 catapillar 3126
Rated Cap: 41 students
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Speaking of looking at the tag, from the looks of mine it looks like the date year is 2013???
Can anyone share insight into this?
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01-12-2020, 02:06 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sepudo
Speaking of looking at the tag, from the looks of mine it looks like the date year is 2013???
Can anyone share insight into this? Attachment 40650
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Must be a newer core, transmission must've been replaced at some point in its life.
Allison is still making the 2000 series, all our buses have had it for the last 10 years at least.
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01-12-2020, 04:35 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Socal and Vegas
Posts: 178
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: fs65
Engine: 7.2 catapillar 3126
Rated Cap: 41 students
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Newer core... I hope that means (assuming it was done properly) that the transmission is nice and healthy.
So far on a short freeway drive it shifts smoothly going on the on ramp and drives faster than 75 mph... I had to back down cause I'm still getting used to the size.
Fingers crossed.
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12-04-2022, 07:56 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 9
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Ford
Engine: 5.9 12 valve Cummins
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Allison 1000 HS
I have a 1997, bluebird 5.912 valve Cummins and I think I have the 545 four-speed non-lock up transmission in it now. A buddy of mine just called me and said that he has a Allison 1000 HS. That came out of a UPS truck or FedEx truck said he thought it would boat right up behind my 5.9. He also has the computer for it and said that he can make it standalone has anyone heard of this or is this possible? Does anyone know I’m not real knowledgeable about diesels?
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12-05-2022, 06:29 AM
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#17
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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yeppers sure can.. its a common swap.. there are companies that make throttle boxes which will take a mechanical input and convert it to the J1939 that the original TCM likely used.. these querstions are a bit tough as I have zero idea what the label on your TCM says as far as RPM range and throttle type.. but with the correct TCM and throttle box you can very much run the 1000 behind a 12 valve..
bolt wise, an SAE3 (non GMC) allison 1000 will bolt right up in place of the 545.. you can use the same shifter.. might have to make some shift bracket changes but otherwise not bad.. driveshaft will need shortened..
if you have air brakes no parking brake is required.. if the fedex van (likely) is hydraulic brake and also your bus then you can use the park brake that comes on the 1000 (and youll want to make sure its there)..
youll need the wiring harness..thats an expensoive piece so make sure the trans comes with it and the TCM both..
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