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03-30-2019, 08:33 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: The 'Zarks
Posts: 90
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
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Checking fluids and what fluids to top off?
I'm heading out to see Hellen tomorrow. I want to check her fluids and top them off if need be. I've only checked the oil and coolant level before as I don't know where the break, transmission, steering and other mystery fluids are. If anyone has some pictures of their buses fluid reservoir or dipsticks to check they could spam me with it would help as I don't really know what I'm doing.
Hellen is a '96 bluebird TC200 with a 12 liter cummins straight 6, her transmission is an allison at545. Is there any other descriptive jargon I need to know to communicate what bus I'm working with? If anything is low where do I find out the correct type of fluid to fill her up with?
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03-30-2019, 08:39 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chess
I'm heading out to see Hellen tomorrow. I want to check her fluids and top them off if need be. I've only checked the oil and coolant level before as I don't know where the break, transmission, steering and other mystery fluids are. If anyone has some pictures of their buses fluid reservoir or dipsticks to check they could spam me with it would help as I don't really know what I'm doing.
Hellen is a '96 bluebird TC200 with a 12 liter cummins straight 6, her transmission is an allison at545. Is there any other descriptive jargon I need to know to communicate what bus I'm working with? If anything is low where do I find out the correct type of fluid to fill her up with?
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12 liter? 12 valve?
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03-31-2019, 07:15 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: The 'Zarks
Posts: 90
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
12 liter? 12 valve?
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Derp, yeah what you said. 12 Valve. Thanks for correcting my error.
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03-31-2019, 10:30 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,404
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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I want a 12 liter Cummins for my bus
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03-31-2019, 08:11 PM
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#5
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: The 'Zarks
Posts: 90
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
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So I think I figured out how to check everything but the brake fluid and the blinker fluid.
Supposedly the brake fluid is in a reservoir behind/under the drivers seat but I could not open up the little black box under the seat? Is there a simple trick to get it opened?
Here were my observations.
Cool engine:
Oil-2 quarts low
ATF at bottom of cold idle line
Coolant appeared in reservoir viewing window, only about one third of the window was filed.
Power steering fluid full.
Hot engine:
Oil at bottom of full line
ATF in the cold idle area but not to the top.
Coolant seemed to be bubbling in side the resivoir
Power steering fluid I did not check again.
Nothing smelled, felt, looked or tasted off, but I don't really know what I'm smelling, feeling, looking or tasting for in a diesel.
Still haven't found that dang blinker fluid too.
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04-01-2019, 03:10 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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Engine oil:
should look like deep colored honey if fresh, possibly sooty black in a diesel. Should not smell like carbon (fried chickeny/burnt olive oil smell) and be slippery between your fingers.
Transmission fluid: (check with engine running)
If it’s dyed red then it should be a nice cherry fruit punch color. Shouldn’t smell burnt or feel gritty in your fingers.
Power Steering fluid:
Depending on the fluid used (motor oil vs trans fluid) you’ll see the same as the engine or trans.
Coolant:
Should be a bright red, orange, purple, blue, green, etc. whatever you’ve got in there. If it looks nasty, has a “sheen” on the surface, has a bunch of junk floating in it, or smells any strange (should smell sort is sweet, I associate it with maple syrup) then it might need a flushing.
If it’s bubbling while running you may have some issues.
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04-01-2019, 04:12 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WARGEAR
Engine oil:
should look like deep colored honey if fresh, possibly sooty black in a diesel. Should not smell like carbon (fried chickeny/burnt olive oil smell) and be slippery between your fingers.
Transmission fluid: (check with engine running)
If it’s dyed red then it should be a nice cherry fruit punch color. Shouldn’t smell burnt or feel gritty in your fingers.
Power Steering fluid:
Depending on the fluid used (motor oil vs trans fluid) you’ll see the same as the engine or trans.
Coolant:
Should be a bright red, orange, purple, blue, green, etc. whatever you’ve got in there. If it looks nasty, has a “sheen” on the surface, has a bunch of junk floating in it, or smells any strange (should smell sort is sweet, I associate it with maple syrup) then it might need a flushing.
If it’s bubbling while running you may have some issues.
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there could be issues if it is bubbling, but if it's just rolling, it means the thermostat is open and the water pump is doing it's job
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04-01-2019, 04:22 PM
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#8
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: The 'Zarks
Posts: 90
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WARGEAR
Engine oil:
should look like deep colored honey if fresh, possibly sooty black in a diesel. Should not smell like carbon (fried chickeny/burnt olive oil smell) and be slippery between your fingers.
Transmission fluid: (check with engine running)
If it’s dyed red then it should be a nice cherry fruit punch color. Shouldn’t smell burnt or feel gritty in your fingers.
Power Steering fluid:
Depending on the fluid used (motor oil vs trans fluid) you’ll see the same as the engine or trans.
Coolant:
Should be a bright red, orange, purple, blue, green, etc. whatever you’ve got in there. If it looks nasty, has a “sheen” on the surface, has a bunch of junk floating in it, or smells any strange (should smell sort is sweet, I associate it with maple syrup) then it might need a flushing.
If it’s bubbling while running you may have some issues.
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I plan on posting some pictures soon but you bssically described the way everything looked and smelled. I was joking about the tasting.
How do I know if it is bubbling or rolling in the viewing window?
The coolant is greenish yellow and smells sweet when I open the cap for the radiator, I can't smell or really see the color through the viewing window.
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04-01-2019, 04:25 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: The 'Zarks
Posts: 90
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleddgracer
there could be issues if it is bubbling, but if it's just rolling, it means the thermostat is open and the water pump is doing it's job
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I need to figure out how to post videos on here so I can find out if it is 'rolling' or bubbling as I'm not sure how to look for the difference.
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04-01-2019, 04:41 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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Open the cap when the engine is cold. Fire it up and let it idle. Look inside the coolant tank with a light. Does the liquid appear to be bubbling like a hot spring or bubbly like a bowl full of soapy water? Or is it just flowing? The latter is what’s normal. The first option suggests more serious issues.
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04-01-2019, 05:11 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WARGEAR
Open the cap when the engine is cold. Fire it up and let it idle. Look inside the coolant tank with a light. Does the liquid appear to be bubbling like a hot spring or bubbly like a bowl full of soapy water? Or is it just flowing? The latter is what’s normal. The first option suggests more serious issues.
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If you do this cold won't the thermostat be closed and prevent circulation through the radiator?
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04-01-2019, 05:23 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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There’s absolutely a bypass somewhere on the engine to allow some coolant flow. Granted it won’t be full flow but there will be movement of fluid. That’s also the benefit of doing it with a cold engine/closed t-stat. No movement/limited movement in the fluid would indicate normal operation, but immediately seeing “soapy bubbles” would indicate head gasket/cylinder block integrity issues.
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