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Old 06-12-2017, 09:56 PM   #1
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Coolant and oil types

I removed the rear heater the other day and cut my hoses to low and lost a lot of coolant. Does anyone know what type of coolant I should use to refill the system ? Do i just dump it in the resivoir or is there a procedure. The engine is a 2000 24 valve cummins .

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Old 06-13-2017, 03:38 AM   #2
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I just used regular antifreeze.. It is a good idea to change the coolant in the entire system as preventative maintainence
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It was recommended to me that if it originally had red coolant then use red if it had green than use green.
I'm currently in the process of flushing mine and then I'll be using Fleet brand coolant. I've had two people suggest Fleet brand SCA charged so that's what I'm going with.

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I removed the rear heater the other day and cut my hoses to low and lost a lot of coolant. Does anyone know what type of coolant I should use to refill the system ? Do i just dump it in the resivoir or is there a procedure. The engine is a 2000 24 valve cummins .
1999 ISC Cummins

ISC Engine
• 50% water and 50% ethylene-glycol
base anti-freeze
• May be mixed to as much as 60% antifreeze
and 40% water for temperatures
below –34° F (-37° C)

Filling
1. Close all drain cocks.
2. Slowly fill the system through the surge
tank until coolant is at the level of the
filler cap.
3. Start the engine and run it at "high idle"
(fast idle) until normal operating
temperature is reached.
4. Return the engine to normal idle.
8 All American Cooling Systems
5. Check the water level and add as
necessary.
6. If coolant level is very low, bleed the
heating system. Refer to heater system
bleeding.
7. Install filler cap.
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Old 06-13-2017, 10:31 AM   #5
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Old 06-13-2017, 09:16 PM   #6
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Any one have any expierance with this stuff?

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I dont have any experience with the coolant,

but the specific heat at 2.6. is alot lower than a water /. standard coolant mix would be.. im not familiar with how much capacity the cooling system has in a crown , but if it has a tendency to run hot now id be concerned it gets hotter with evans...

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Old 06-14-2017, 07:48 AM   #8
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Any one have any expierance with this stuff?

https://www.evanscoolant.com/
Is there something wrong with the generic Vato Zone coolant? Pretty sure "ethylene-glycol base anti-freeze'is the crap in the yellow jug. MY bus has not gone much above mid gauge even floored going uphill. There's one argument for needing 32 quarts for the entire system. Hopefully that (gauge reading) doesn't change when I get rid of the heater hoses in the bus.
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Is there something wrong with the generic Vato Zone coolant? Pretty sure "ethylene-glycol base anti-freeze'is the crap in the yellow jug. MY bus has not gone much above mid gauge even floored going uphill. There's one argument for needing 32 quarts for the entire system. Hopefully that (gauge reading) doesn't change when I get rid of the heater hoses in the bus.
I really dont understand the reason why evans would be that beneficial.. I guess if you have hot running cylinders with not much metal mass around them then conceivably a water based coolant would vapor at points around the cylinder? but anytime a liquid vapors it has to take in a whole lot of heat which would cool the cylinder..

a mix of the regular green stuff and water (plus SCA's!!!!) will run fine in your diesel engine and cool just fine.

if you dont want to deal with SCA's then you can install a Poly-Organic coolant like the Amsoil HD ELC stuff (and others)..

SCA's really arent bad to deal with.. measure them, change your coolant at intervals and replace your coolasnt filter with an SCA-charged one.. wehich will maintain the levels for you unless you have a catastrophic coolant loss.

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I really dont understand the reason why evans would be that beneficial.. I guess if you have hot running cylinders with not much metal mass around them then conceivably a water based coolant would vapor at points around the cylinder? but anytime a liquid vapors it has to take in a whole lot of heat which would cool the cylinder..

a mix of the regular green stuff and water (plus SCA's!!!!) will run fine in your diesel engine and cool just fine.

if you dont want to deal with SCA's then you can install a Poly-Organic coolant like the Amsoil HD ELC stuff (and others)..

SCA's really arent bad to deal with.. measure them, change your coolant at intervals and replace your coolasnt filter with an SCA-charged one.. wehich will maintain the levels for you unless you have a catastrophic coolant loss.

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I really dont understand the reason why evans would be that beneficial.. I guess if you have hot running cylinders with not much metal mass around them then conceivably a water based coolant would vapor at points around the cylinder? but anytime a liquid vapors it has to take in a whole lot of heat which would cool the cylinder..

a mix of the regular green stuff and water (plus SCA's!!!!) will run fine in your diesel engine and cool just fine.

if you dont want to deal with SCA's then you can install a Poly-Organic coolant like the Amsoil HD ELC stuff (and others)..

SCA's really arent bad to deal with.. measure them, change your coolant at intervals and replace your coolasnt filter with an SCA-charged one.. wehich will maintain the levels for you unless you have a catastrophic coolant loss.

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Are SCAs n necessary in all diesel engine. How do you know ?

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Old 06-14-2017, 10:50 AM   #12
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Better yet, when did coolant filters come on the scene? A coolant filter used to be pouring the coolant through a rag before putting it back in the truck.

I'm from a time when etheline glycole was the coolant. There were no other choices unless you wanted to run straight water.
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Old 06-14-2017, 11:32 AM   #13
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effecitvely its a stout requirement for any wet-liner engine to require SCA's. (DT-360,DT-466,Cummins 8.3, and othersd).. and generally manufacturer required in dry liner engines (V-8 diesels, cummins 5.9, and others)...

https://www.knowyourparts.com/techni...t-maintenance/

is an article on the subject...

generally the main purpose of the coolant filter is to maintain the SCA levels in the system. as SCA's degrade over time , minor coolant loss / usage etc.. if you suffer a catastrophoic major loss of coolant you need to bring your SCA level back up to snuff

testing coolant with test strips is considered a normal required maintenance item.. you test for SCA levels, pH, and the freeze / boil temperature at a minimum. I use a type by acustrip called ACU2050-4K in my DEV bus.. these were hard to come by in less-than-case quantity but I found them at a local diesel shop.. you can call acustrip and see if they will sell quantity 1 bottle..

since I changed my coolant to ELC polyorganic in RedByrd I use a special Amsoil strip in that one..

if you have orange or Red coolant in your bus your test procedures are different, but generally you dont want SCA's in ELC coolants. if your engine is compatible to swap to ELC coolant you *MUST* flush out all the green stuff completely from the engine, radiator, and heater loops... I disassembled my coolant system to accomplish this.. or well i should say I did the complete flush and coolant change while my coolant system was in pieces..

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SCA's. ELC polyorganic
Were you in the military? You speak acronym like they do. What the hell are you saying IN ENGLISH!!!
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The manual doesn't say to use the SCAs in the 8.3 Cummins.

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Type(s) of Coolant
ISB Engine
• 50% water and 50% ethylene-glycol
base anti-freeze
• May be mixed to as much as 60% antifreeze
and 40% water for temperatures
below –34° F (-37° C)
DCA-4 should be used as a
supplemental cooling additive


ISC Engine
• 50% water and 50% ethylene-glycol
base anti-freeze
• May be mixed to as much as 60% antifreeze
and 40% water for temperatures
below –34° F (-37° C)
Also what is the specific gravity of coolant? I have a brewing hydrometer and one for the batteries.
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The manual doesn't say to use the SCAs in the 8.3 Cummins.



Also what is the specific gravity of coolant? I have a brewing hydrometer and one for the batteries.
SCA is supplimental coolant additive


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The manual doesn't say to use the SCAs in the 8.3 Cummins.

Also what is the specific gravity of coolant? I have a brewing hydrometer and one for the batteries.
Oh for God's sake don't use the same hydrometer for beer and coolant!
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Oh for God's sake don't use the same hydrometer for beer and coolant!
It adds a sweetness to the beer that the yeast can't ferment.
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First pic : is this my heater supply valve ?
Second pic: this hose is unattached, is this the bleed valve?

Third pic : is this the heater return valve ?

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Mmmmmm... beer with an ethelyne glycole kicker. That might catch on in the colder territories.

Do you drop the hydrometer directly into the radiator?
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