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06-12-2019, 02:30 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,404
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Muffler delete 8.3 RE?
Has anyone straight piped an RE with one of the big 6's?
How did it play?
I am tempted but afraid that I may make it too loud.
I mentioned it to the gent that runs the local bus barn and he though i was nuts........
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06-12-2019, 03:29 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Has anyone straight piped an RE with one of the big 6's?
How did it play?
I am tempted but afraid that I may make it too loud.
I mentioned it to the gent that runs the local bus barn and he though i was nuts........
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As badass as I know it’ll sound I have to agree that it will be loud AF. You’d get tired of the noise after awhile.
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06-12-2019, 06:01 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 41
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Maybe make two exhaust systems. One that bypasses the muffler, and another that goes through it?
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06-12-2019, 06:31 PM
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#4
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeNesquik
Maybe make two exhaust systems. One that bypasses the muffler, and another that goes through it?
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Do an exhaust cutout! Best of both worlds and changeable.
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06-12-2019, 06:41 PM
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#5
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,404
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WARGEAR
Do an exhaust cutout! Best of both worlds and changeable.
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Great idea!
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06-12-2019, 08:15 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 1,494
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E 7.3L
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With a rear engine setup the engine exhaust will only be loud to those behind you or bystanders along the way will hear it.
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06-12-2019, 10:06 PM
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#7
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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I'm wondering if there is any benefit other than it sounds cool. With as big and long as that exhaust system is, I doubt deleting the muffler adds any noticeable power. If those who say it does were using a Butt dyno, they are notoriously inaccurate. As many of us that complain about how loud our bus is under normal operation , why would you want to make it louder. I'm all into a powerful sounding exhaust on my rides, my bus I'd like to keep as quiet as possible.
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06-12-2019, 11:15 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NM USA KD6WJG
Posts: 1,515
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE 40 FEET
Engine: Cummins 8.3
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I have done a muffler delete on my 8.3 RE bluebird. The only way I can hear the thing is if I open the windows! Closed I don't hear it. It runs a little better now. The turbo spools up faster. I don't know what the other motorists think.
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06-13-2019, 07:19 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 1,494
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E 7.3L
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
I'm wondering if there is any benefit other than it sounds cool. With as big and long as that exhaust system is, I doubt deleting the muffler adds any noticeable power. If those who say it does were using a Butt dyno, they are notoriously inaccurate. As many of us that complain about how loud our bus is under normal operation , why would you want to make it louder. I'm all into a powerful sounding exhaust on my rides, my bus I'd like to keep as quiet as possible.
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A free flowing exhaust increases power and economy. It also lowers the exhaust gas temps since the turbo is spooling up better without the restrictions. I straight piped my front engine bus and it is no louder in the front of the bus, just the exhaust tone is much better and louder out the back.......
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06-13-2019, 08:52 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 993
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: CS RE
Engine: ISC 8.3 L 260 hp
Rated Cap: 36
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Steve,
You should definatly straight pipe it and let me know how it works! Maybe an exhaust brake as well....bah... bah... bah... bah... bah.
Ted
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06-13-2019, 10:53 AM
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#11
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet
A free flowing exhaust increases power and economy. It also lowers the exhaust gas temps since the turbo is spooling up better without the restrictions. I straight piped my front engine bus and it is no louder in the front of the bus, just the exhaust tone is much better and louder out the back.......
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the exhaust sounds great and is little louder, if any, than the sounds that the car tires make when passing the camera
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06-13-2019, 12:05 PM
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#12
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet
A free flowing exhaust increases power and economy. It also lowers the exhaust gas temps since the turbo is spooling up better without the restrictions. I straight piped my front engine bus and it is no louder in the front of the bus, just the exhaust tone is much better and louder out the back.......
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All true, but are you making it flow any freer than it was before? The large diameter and length make that free flowing. There is a limit where it starts to become detrimental. Diameter of pipe and length make huge changes in the power band of a motor. It won't happen, but I'm not believing any gains are had until I see a dyno sheet. Spend 20 years racing and developing exhaust systems that work.
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06-13-2019, 12:12 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
All true, but are you making it flow any freer than it was before? The large diameter and length make that free flowing. There is a limit where it starts to become detrimental. Diameter of pipe and length make huge changes in the power band of a motor. It won't happen, but I'm not believing any gains are had until I see a dyno sheet. Spend 20 years racing and developing exhaust systems that work.
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would be easy to check any difference with a stop watch - ( $5.95 ) using familiar land marks
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06-13-2019, 01:03 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,459
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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I did mine, way too loud if something was on my right side. I found a 4 inch glasspack that made it just right.
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06-13-2019, 01:33 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,404
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
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Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by somewhereinusa
I did mine, way too loud if something was on my right side. I found a 4 inch glasspack that made it just right.
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That is what I was afraid of.
The exhaust pretty much consists of a large muffler with the inlet and outlet on the same side. A sweep comes down from the turbo to the muffler and another sweep that turns it to the rear. Then about 4' straight out the back.
Not a whole lot to work with. Not sure what was meantby " With as big and long as that exhaust system is"??
If I can take off straight of of the "turbo sweep" I can go straight out the curb side right behind the drive tires. That would allow for a muffler about 32" long.
How long is your glasspack?
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06-13-2019, 01:53 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,459
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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I think the body is about 2 feet 30 inches at most. After the down sweep is the flex bellows then muffler then straight out the side. Whole exhaust system is at most 8 feet after the turbo.
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06-13-2019, 02:00 PM
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#17
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Fingerlakes region NY
Posts: 204
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran/Wolfington
Chassis: 3800
Engine: International DT466E 190HP variant
Rated Cap: 72 pax 29500 GVWR
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Cool bus! It’s definitely loud as s*it though!
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06-13-2019, 03:19 PM
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#18
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
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Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
That is what I was afraid of.
Not sure what was meantby " With as big and long as that exhaust system is"??
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4" pipe 20' long is as free flowing as you're going to get. I'm not familiar with the RE exhaust system, but it's got to be 20' shorter. and the performance is no different.
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06-13-2019, 05:43 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,459
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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Steve, me being me, I searched for quite a while for a straight muffler with 4in and 4 out that I thought wasn't over priced, this is the muffler I bought.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/One-Diesel-...UAAOSwPAxaOojY
Still a bit loud but not objectionable, at least to me.
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