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07-15-2017, 02:37 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
Rated Cap: 24 seats, 3 wheelchairs
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Recalibrate speedometer?
The previous owner of my '98 BB TC2000 upgraded to highway gears, so the speedo is about 15mph off. How do I fix it?
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07-15-2017, 05:40 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Billings, MT
Posts: 1,269
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: HDX
Engine: Cat C7
Rated Cap: 84 passenger
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I would imagine that your local dealer could do it. It's not a DIY project.
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07-15-2017, 05:56 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,626
Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins, Allison 2000 conversion
Rated Cap: 2
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i don't know if thats mechanical or not, but the mechanical transmissions have a speedometer gear by rear end.
i have seen a list of different part numbers on a '92 BB partlist for the speedogear.
here is picture of a page from an online catalog.
if you have an electronic motor, i have no clue.
hope that helps
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07-15-2017, 06:00 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,995
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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easy way to tell is crawn underneath and at the rear of the transmission tailshaft (on a 545 its usually on the driver side).. see if there is a pair of wires coming off or a cable coming off (not the shifter)..
if its a cable then you have a gear.. if all you need to change is the DRIVEN gear and not the drive gear then its super easy... that cable pops out and you swap a new gear in..
if you have an electronic speedometer then there is any number of ways that it might need set..
for example my 1991 bus is a fully mechanical engine but I have an electric speedometer.. in that case there are dip switches on the speedometer cluster that you set.. (I did it when I changed tire size).. im not sure on a bluebird how its done. just throwing out ideas..
-Christopher
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07-15-2017, 06:09 PM
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#5
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
Rated Cap: 24 seats, 3 wheelchairs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
easy way to tell is crawn underneath and at the rear of the transmission tailshaft (on a 545 its usually on the driver side).. see if there is a pair of wires coming off or a cable coming off (not the shifter)..
if its a cable then you have a gear.. if all you need to change is the DRIVEN gear and not the drive gear then its super easy... that cable pops out and you swap a new gear in..
if you have an electronic speedometer then there is any number of ways that it might need set..
for example my 1991 bus is a fully mechanical engine but I have an electric speedometer.. in that case there are dip switches on the speedometer cluster that you set.. (I did it when I changed tire size).. im not sure on a bluebird how its done. just throwing out ideas..
-Christopher
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Thanks! I'm familiar with the dip switches as my van has that. Couldn't find one on the bus so that's what prompted the question. I'll take a peak under the bus when we stop for wires and such.
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07-15-2017, 06:09 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
Rated Cap: 24 seats, 3 wheelchairs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turf
i don't know if thats mechanical or not, but the mechanical transmissions have a speedometer gear by rear end.
i have seen a list of different part numbers on a '92 BB partlist for the speedogear.
here is picture of a page from an online catalog.
if you have an electronic motor, i have no clue.
hope that helps
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Thanks!!
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07-20-2017, 03:18 PM
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#7
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
Rated Cap: 24 seats, 3 wheelchairs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
easy way to tell is crawn underneath and at the rear of the transmission tailshaft (on a 545 its usually on the driver side).. see if there is a pair of wires coming off or a cable coming off (not the shifter)..
if its a cable then you have a gear.. if all you need to change is the DRIVEN gear and not the drive gear then its super easy... that cable pops out and you swap a new gear in..
if you have an electronic speedometer then there is any number of ways that it might need set..
for example my 1991 bus is a fully mechanical engine but I have an electric speedometer.. in that case there are dip switches on the speedometer cluster that you set.. (I did it when I changed tire size).. im not sure on a bluebird how its done. just throwing out ideas..
-Christopher
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Ok - so a couple details that might be helpful. The rear axle ratio is 4.78, which I am told by the previous owner is the newer gears he put in.
I finally got around to crawling under there. So this must be the speedometer sensor and there's a wire coming out of the top. So does that mean I need to find some dip switches somewhere?
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07-20-2017, 04:02 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,626
Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins, Allison 2000 conversion
Rated Cap: 2
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i'm curious about the speed sensor too.
my at545 has 2 wires that come off in the same spot as the picture above.
my at1545 has 2 wires that come off next to the gear selector.
in either case, those 2 wires have to carry a neutral start switch, a reverse light indicator and a speed signal.
the only other electrical connection is the ground strap on the transmission.
someone start splainin'
curious that the old owner would put in a 4.78. that would take you from probably 58mph to 65mph.
mines a 4.78 and i'd go for a 4.3 or 4.1
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07-20-2017, 04:56 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
Rated Cap: 24 seats, 3 wheelchairs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turf
i'm curious about the speed sensor too.
my at545 has 2 wires that come off in the same spot as the picture above.
my at1545 has 2 wires that come off next to the gear selector.
in either case, those 2 wires have to carry a neutral start switch, a reverse light indicator and a speed signal.
the only other electrical connection is the ground strap on the transmission.
someone start splainin'
curious that the old owner would put in a 4.78. that would take you from probably 58mph to 65mph.
mines a 4.78 and i'd go for a 4.3 or 4.1
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I suspect my RPMs are lower. Iowa to Ohio I stayed around 60mph and my RPMs were 2k. Tracking via GPS I got just over 12mpg. Bus weighed ~18,500 on that trip. On a flat run I can get just over 70mph tops.
So, how does all of that compare to someone with stock gears? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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07-20-2017, 05:18 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
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Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
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thats real good!
i have the same set up
5.9, at545, 4.78 rear. i'm 19k lbs
top speed of about 72
i get 7.5mpg
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07-20-2017, 05:35 PM
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#11
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turf
thats real good!
i have the same set up
5.9, at545, 4.78 rear. i'm 19k lbs
top speed of about 72
i get 7.5mpg
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So - was your 4.78 an add-on and your speedo is off too?&
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07-20-2017, 06:02 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,626
Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins, Allison 2000 conversion
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Quote:
Originally Posted by natedlee
So - was your 4.78 an add-on and your speedo is off too?&
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all factory
i keep my foot on the floor and push it all day long.
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07-20-2017, 06:48 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
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Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
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I'm wondering if these circle doohikies on the back of the dash cluster are dip switches.
Also the dang dash bulbs are touchy. :/
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07-20-2017, 06:51 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
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Engine: ISC 8.3
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To me those look like sockets for replaceable lamps.
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07-20-2017, 07:05 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
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Year: 1998
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Quote:
Originally Posted by family wagon
To me those look like sockets for replaceable lamps.
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That's what another person said on FB. But there are separate lamp spots like this... And they're stupid sensitive. Can't figure out why some aren't working.
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07-20-2017, 09:29 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
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Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
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Quote:
Originally Posted by family wagon
To me those look like sockets for replaceable lamps.
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Ah - you're right. They are the bulbs for the fuel/temp/charge/oil menu that I can toggle through. Some of them must be out bc I can't see them well at night.
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07-22-2017, 01:11 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
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It was pointed out in another forum that technically I'm not 15mph off. I'm a % off. So he run the math and I'm 133% off across all speeds.
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07-22-2017, 02:50 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,995
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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since its a Bluebird, it doesnt hurt to call a bluebirds dealer and just ask what it takes to recal the speedometer.. if its a hard coded thing and you need a new gauge, or if its a reprogrammable thing in the field or dealer.. I just noticed your gauge [anel itself was marked bluebird.. so its made by them and not a chassis builder.
-Christopher
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07-22-2017, 10:10 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maryland
Posts: 95
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5,9 12V
Rated Cap: 24 seats, 3 wheelchairs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
since its a Bluebird, it doesnt hurt to call a bluebirds dealer and just ask what it takes to recal the speedometer.. if its a hard coded thing and you need a new gauge, or if its a reprogrammable thing in the field or dealer.. I just noticed your gauge [anel itself was marked bluebird.. so its made by them and not a chassis builder.
-Christopher
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[emoji106] I'll probably do that this week. Thanks for the discussion!
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