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Old 05-15-2020, 02:58 PM   #21
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You missed the smashed drivers windshield and right hand passenger window sixth from the rear. We all tend to see what we want to see.
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Might be some truth in that. But I strive to not jump to conclusions. Perhaps I'm striving a bit too hard in this case

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Old 05-15-2020, 03:06 PM   #22
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It's all good though it would be interesting to know the whole story.
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Old 05-15-2020, 03:56 PM   #23
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you should have a wallet full of $100.00 bills if you are going to go anywhere on your bus without a road service plan.
i have a question for NATIVE so maybe he can PM me when gets time.
but more important in this thread.
born and raised in the woods.
in the scouts since i was little and was an eagle scout before i played marine.
then made it back home all together somehow and raised my own two boys up in scouting and many other boys as a scoutmaster and helping start troops in rough areas out in the middle of the woods/national forest.
and the hunters and locals dont care so its an easy community service project for the scouts to clean the sides of the national forest roads.
when we backpack on trails we pick up trash as we see it and even hand pull a wagon where we can because the trash can overload a young mans backpack quickly especially when we are heading in for a weekend and not when we are heading out when the pack is a little lighter because there food and water is out of there pack.
but they get a feal for the amount of trash around.
we always plan to make as least of an impact as we can and leave the place cleaner than you found it but sometimes the latter is a chore when backpacking?
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Old 05-15-2020, 04:09 PM   #24
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Leave less trash on the ground than was there before you arrived, that's my ideal policy. I'm pretty sure cleanup will happen long before we leave a site- will probably be part of site-prep for us tbh.

The abandoned bus is interesting, would be good to get the whole story there. The white bus changing campsites: Even if the mess was already there, no excuses...

I will say, do be careful moving trash that isn't yours, though. Could contain needles or other hazards that could harm you, your kids/pets/whatever. Good to have a set of gloves and tools (picker-uppers, bins, bags, etc) for clean-up. And if the garbage looks extreme enough (like clear out in the open drug use) consider cleaning up and moving on without staying.
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My family has a 40 acre camp site up in northern Michigan and we see this sort of thing often. Kids head out into the national forest to tear one off or just sit around a campfire and are more than willing to dump their trash where ever they happen to be. We saw one oldster changing his car oil by draining it onto the ground then tossing the old filter and empty oil bottles into the nearest bush. Someone stripped out an RV trailer and dumped what wasn't useful in the middle of a field. My guess is that as city folks we have more respect for the wild. We also have cheap trash pickup.

My childhood home subdivision was built on an old farm and in the woods nearby there were three old cars that were slowly rusting into the ground.

I'm certainly not a fan of indiscriminate dumping but I get the impression that city and country folks have a different view of it.
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My family has a 40 acre camp site up in northern Michigan and we see this sort of thing often. Kids head out into the national forest to tear one off or just sit around a campfire and are more than willing to dump their trash where ever they happen to be. We saw one oldster changing his car oil by draining it onto the ground then tossing the old filter and empty oil bottles into the nearest bush. Someone stripped out an RV trailer and dumped what wasn't useful in the middle of a field. My guess is that as city folks we have more respect for the wild. We also have cheap trash pickup.

My childhood home subdivision was built on an old farm and in the woods nearby there were three old cars that were slowly rusting into the ground.

I'm certainly not a fan of indiscriminate dumping but I get the impression that city and country folks have a different view of it.

I grew up on a reservation where status was measured by the number of once-running vehicles littering your front yard (we only had 1; amateur hour). The shooting range was one of the multiple broken down cars in a 3 mile radius that had sat abandoned for years. The landfill was 10' off the entrance to every dirt road. One day in my hood & the guy who made this video would require psychiatric intervention

just to be clear, nothing I agreed with. HATE it. But, the way it was / is. You could literally make a living recycling.
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Old 05-15-2020, 09:22 PM   #27
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My family has a 40 acre camp site up in northern Michigan and we see this sort of thing often. Kids head out into the national forest to tear one off or just sit around a campfire and are more than willing to dump their trash where ever they happen to be. We saw one oldster changing his car oil by draining it onto the ground then tossing the old filter and empty oil bottles into the nearest bush. Someone stripped out an RV trailer and dumped what wasn't useful in the middle of a field. My guess is that as city folks we have more respect for the wild. We also have cheap trash pickup.

My childhood home subdivision was built on an old farm and in the woods nearby there were three old cars that were slowly rusting into the ground.

I'm certainly not a fan of indiscriminate dumping but I get the impression that city and country folks have a different view of it.
Country litterbugs and City litterbugs are all the same A-holes to me.
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Old 05-20-2020, 03:56 PM   #28
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After 10 months full time in our van and now 5 months in our bus, our experience has been that weekend warriors are the most likely to trash campsites. Full time nomads and the homeless both seem to be more aware of their impact and how folks view them than the locals who seem to act like they own the local getaway spots. Whether it is public land or a designated pay campground. Most of what we see right now during the pandemic are in state plates. These folks leave their trash overflowing outside dumpsters when they deign to throw away trash at all. Many leave pizza boxes and beer cans in fire pits. Broken beer bottle glass is a constant issue. We literally have watched people roll in on Friday, trash a site, and leave Sunday night. My DH and I have spent many hours cleaning up others campsites. We noticed this even when we were traveling in our van and staying in state parks before the pandemic. We like to clean up campsites to lessen the work for the hosts. I’ve never run into obvious full timers who trash campsites quite as much as weekend vacationers seem to do.

We’re currently experiencing fire weather warnings and have been stunned at the number of people starting campfires. Again, local in state plates. Maybe it’s the pandemic and folks have just lost their minds from the lockdowns but it doesn’t make sense. Midweek is always the nicest time out here for us. And in our book nomads are much better company than vacationers who come out to party and let loose.
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2:18 & 2:33 look like attempts at shelters.
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I remember seeing this bus on one of the facebook skoolie groups. It wasn't even a conversion really, just had most (but not all) of the seats removed. The interior was really bad, like bio hazard level bad. I remember seeing used needles on the floor in one of the photos!! Not a good sign.



It's people like this that get the legitimate skoolie folks kicked out of nice free spots every year. People wonder why the public lands and nice public parking areas are getting shut down, it's because of people like this that don't make any attempt at being respectable and leaving bags of trash and worse laying around.
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i have a question for NATIVE so maybe he can PM me when gets time.
but more important in this thread.
born and raised in the woods.
in the scouts since i was little and was an eagle scout before i played marine.
then made it back home all together somehow and raised my own two boys up in scouting and many other boys as a scoutmaster and helping start troops in rough areas out in the middle of the woods/national forest.
and the hunters and locals dont care so its an easy community service project for the scouts to clean the sides of the national forest roads.
when we backpack on trails we pick up trash as we see it and even hand pull a wagon where we can because the trash can overload a young mans backpack quickly especially when we are heading in for a weekend and not when we are heading out when the pack is a little lighter because there food and water is out of there pack.
but they get a feal for the amount of trash around.
we always plan to make as least of an impact as we can and leave the place cleaner than you found it but sometimes the latter is a chore when backpacking?
Wait, you actually went outside in the boy scouts? My troop in suburban Ohio never did anything like that.
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I'm a big supporter of scouts. I was in cub scouts and boy scouts.
They really do a lot to teach kids about social responsibility and civic duty.

You can tell that no too many folks these days grew up with scouting.
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Old 05-21-2020, 09:49 AM   #33
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I am an Eagle Scout product of the '80's. Back then Scouting was a great program. In the main group of 8 boys that hung out together, 7 of us made Eagle. 30 years later, all of us are still in contact one way or another. My best camping memories are with that scout troop. We extreme camped every summer, and we always packed out more trash than we made! In the last 10 years, the Scouting program has been sucking canal water! Way too much corporate shenanigans going on. Sir Baden Powel has done a complete 360 in his grave over what his vision has become.

I have a cousin we go camping with occasionally. When camp is packed up and we are 100% loaded up and ready to pull out, he makes his kids get out of the van and do a trash sweep. All 11 of them! Even the 2 year old. Pick up 10 things that don't belong. I really appreciated this last time when it was my yard they camped in! We are all headed out into the desert this weekend for some social distancing. It's kinda hard to maintain the 10 or less rule when there is 13 of them to start with! We'll do our best by staying in the vast desert away from everyone else!
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I have a cousin we go camping with occasionally. When camp is packed up and we are 100% loaded up and ready to pull out, he makes his kids get out of the van and do a trash sweep. All 11 of them! Even the 2 year old. Pick up 10 things that don't belong.
That's....that's awesome. What a great thing.
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My family has a 40 acre camp site up in northern Michigan and we see this sort of thing often. Kids head out into the national forest to tear one off or just sit around a campfire and are more than willing to dump their trash where ever they happen to be. We saw one oldster changing his car oil by draining it onto the ground then tossing the old filter and empty oil bottles into the nearest bush. Someone stripped out an RV trailer and dumped what wasn't useful in the middle of a field. My guess is that as city folks we have more respect for the wild. We also have cheap trash pickup.

My childhood home subdivision was built on an old farm and in the woods nearby there were three old cars that were slowly rusting into the ground.

I'm certainly not a fan of indiscriminate dumping but I get the impression that city and country folks have a different view of it.
I have to disagree about city folk having more respect.
A Richard is a Richard no matter where he's from (no disrespect meant for anyone named Richard) you'll figure it out!
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I have to disagree about city folk having more respect.
A Richard is a Richard no matter where he's from (no disrespect meant for anyone named Richard) you'll figure it out!
Just don’t dis Rod Johnson!
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I use to have a co-worker who's legit name was Richard Johnson. We called him Double D!

Another one who's name is William Williams. He is called 2 Bills.
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My nephew is named Richard Johnson! He is probably the nicest soul one could meet.


Edit: I may be biased.
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My nephew is named Richard Johnson! He is probably the nicest soul one could meet.


Edit: I may be biased.
No way possible they are the same guy then. This guy is a cantankerous old man! I would just as soon listen to the ramblings of my crazy ex-wife as listen to this guy talk about himself!
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