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Old 10-29-2019, 08:19 PM   #1
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Full LCD Gauge Replacement

The big question, is there a way to read all (or even most) of the gauge and sensor data from my 8.3 Cummins ISC? I have the technical ability to create the UI and all of that to create a single LCD dash display, but I would need to be able to read the gauge statuses to something like an Arduino or even a custom board I could make. I've found all-digital after market gauges...so it is possible somehow, but I'm wondering if these companies have licensed with Cummins to read some kind of proprietary data stream.
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Old 10-29-2019, 08:28 PM   #2
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Take a look at Silver Leaf or Bluefire.

They will allow you to create a custom gauge layout..
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Old 10-29-2019, 08:33 PM   #3
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I did it in mine.. mixture of silverleaf VMSpc, EFILive, and my own Code..


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Old 10-29-2019, 08:42 PM   #4
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I did it in mine.. mixture of silverleaf VMSpc, EFILive, and my own Code..


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Nice! This is more or less what I was looking for. I would like to get it down to one large LCD panel and replace the entire dash. Any reason you didn't look at bluefire?
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Old 10-29-2019, 08:51 PM   #5
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I did this a couple years ago. bluefire wasnt out yet.


I own a bluefire and it is an active project of mine since they have an API..
I hacked the navistar computer protocol to learn the proprietary PID's they use.. and am writing an app to run on my tablet and grab much more data than the default bluefire app will..


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Old 10-29-2019, 08:54 PM   #6
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I did this a couple years ago. bluefire wasnt out yet.


I own a bluefire and it is an active project of mine since they have an API..
I hacked the navistar computer protocol to learn the proprietary PID's they use.. and am writing an app to run on my tablet and grab much more data than the default bluefire app will..


-Christopher
I've been sifting through bluefire on github for the last hour or so. The API is the big reason I ask, it appears fairly trivial to write a custom android app to output whatever I want.
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Old 10-29-2019, 08:59 PM   #7
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it is... ive tested it and have pulled custom by request only PID's off the data bus with it and it works..

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Old 10-29-2019, 09:01 PM   #8
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Christopher,

Do you have any recommendations for tablets that are viewable in sunlight?
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:13 PM   #9
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im using a couple windows tabs and they do pretty good in sunlight.. that orange color works good in daylight..



mine.. omne is an Asus EEE tablet and the other is a Surface 3... the surface 3 has auto brightness which is nice.. the Asus doesnt...



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Old 10-30-2019, 02:24 PM   #10
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im using a couple windows tabs and they do pretty good in sunlight.. that orange color works good in daylight..



mine.. omne is an Asus EEE tablet and the other is a Surface 3... the surface 3 has auto brightness which is nice.. the Asus doesnt...



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Like this one?
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Transfor.../dp/B004U78J1G

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Old 10-30-2019, 02:40 PM   #11
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similar but both mine are windows 10.. when i switch to bluefire I may go android but im windows for now..

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Old 01-11-2020, 04:37 PM   #12
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I have been getting serious about Bluefire or Silverleaf.

I was leaning towards Bluefire then I started reading over the thread on IRV2 and reached out to Bluefire with some questions. Now I am on the fence.

Christopher,

As I understand, you have tried both. Do you have any recommendations?

It looks to me like the product from Silverleaf may be a little bit more mature and trouble free than Bluefire. Maybe mature to the point of being a bit dated.

Thoughts?
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Old 01-13-2020, 11:46 AM   #13
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I have been getting serious about Bluefire or Silverleaf.
I was leaning towards Bluefire then I started reading over the thread on IRV2 and reached out to Bluefire with some questions. Now I am on the fence.
Christopher,
As I understand, you have tried both. Do you have any recommendations?
It looks to me like the product from Silverleaf may be a little bit more mature and trouble free than Bluefire. Maybe mature to the point of being a bit dated.
Thoughts?
I did get my Bluefire adapter, and so far I'm happy with it. Here is the result of some of my initial testing. I also got the sample API app with some custom code running as well.
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similar but both mine are windows 10.. when i switch to bluefire I may go android but im windows for now..

-Christopher
Christopher,

Nice picture of your gauges. I am planning on Bluefire purchase in the next few days. Did you ever switch over to BF? I believe I have the nine pin connector. If I do, will I be able to pull almost all of the data I need without writing special code. (i understand I have to build my gauges which looks fun and easy) Just no custom code by me hopefully.

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Old 01-23-2020, 10:07 AM   #15
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I havent switched yet... and now Brokedown has me looking different directions.. those directions are largely coding out my own complete solution using websockets, my own back-end 1708 / 1939 Capture device and Javascript gauges.. (I love having fellow coder geeks on this board.. gives me ideas of fun stuff)..



im still going to play with the Android version of Bluefire and see if I can pull and parse custom navistar PIDs and PGNs


I had a good talk with art from Silverleaf (via email) and silverleaf and the vmsPC device are being revamped with a little better gauge options and also the ability to pull custom parameters.. i'll probably Beta his stuff too just because my Silverleaf device has given me literally Zero issues in the 3 years ive had it.. its a "rock".. it just works.. the screen displays lack on it for now but that may be changing..



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Wow I will be making regular stops on this thread to see new post!! Thanks everyone!
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:30 PM   #17
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I havent switched yet... and now Brokedown has me looking different directions.. those directions are largely coding out my own complete solution using websockets, my own back-end 1708 / 1939 Capture device and Javascript gauges.. (I love having fellow coder geeks on this board.. gives me ideas of fun stuff)..



im still going to play with the Android version of Bluefire and see if I can pull and parse custom navistar PIDs and PGNs


I had a good talk with art from Silverleaf (via email) and silverleaf and the vmsPC device are being revamped with a little better gauge options and also the ability to pull custom parameters.. i'll probably Beta his stuff too just because my Silverleaf device has given me literally Zero issues in the 3 years ive had it.. its a "rock".. it just works.. the screen displays lack on it for now but that may be changing..



-Christopher
Christopher, thanks for the info. I think I will probably get the bluefire if by consensus it works pretty well. I have a few things on my main cluster that aren't working. Speedo and water temperature are a couple. Of course if the sensors are broken or the connection is not made then the bluefire won't work either. I used a bluetooth obdii reader in my car and made a cool instrument cluster with a program called torque pro.

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Old 01-23-2020, 11:36 PM   #18
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I did get my Bluefire adapter, and so far I'm happy with it. Here is the result of some of my initial testing. I also got the sample API app with some custom code running as well.
That is a great looking set up. I think I am going to get the bluefire as well.

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I have a BlueFire running ona cheap ($28.00) RCA Voyager III Android tablet. It works fine. Here is a link to a video of my screen. I originally posted this on a thread to help diagnose a "growl" that our CAT engine was making.


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How difficult is it to tap into this data in a totally mechanical bus? I mean, my bus has wires and lights, but they're electronic, not digital...
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