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Old 01-26-2022, 06:42 PM   #21
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Appreciate the advice. Unfortunately these are drop in 300ah batteries and i am afraid to disassemble them to get to individual cells. Not something i've ever done before... Want to come over and help? 😉
depends on where you live the sealed cells I would think are fine unless they're old. but see if there is a difference between either of the two main batteries. they should be near exact on voltage under load and charge.

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Old 01-26-2022, 06:46 PM   #22
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depends on where you live the sealed cells I would think are fine unless they're old. but see if there is a difference between either of the two main batteries. they should be near exact on voltage under load and charge.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:50 PM   #23
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Living in the bus! Currently at Skooliepalooza in Ehrenberg, AZ
well, I decided against Skoolie palooza this year heading to Cancun in a few days but I am down in Pheonix so not too far. do you know if there is a Voltage difference or high impedance on either cell?
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:52 PM   #24
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well, I decided against Skoolie palooza this year heading to Cancun in a few days but I am down in Pheonix so not too far. do you know if there is a Voltage difference or high impedance on either cell?
I haven't checked individual voltages recently. I did about 6 months ago when i installed the batteries and they were identical
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:54 PM   #25
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I haven't checked individual voltages recently. I did about 6 months ago when i installed the batteries and they were identical
Yeah mine were when installed too but that doesnt mean they are top charged. so one of them could have less amp hours and is dropping faster when discharging and charging faster but not fully on the charge cycles. It was a problem I never thought of until my system killed off one morning
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:56 PM   #26
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Top charging is not hard I got a bench charger off amazon wire the batteries in parallel and then let the amps soak in at the higher V until the amp dropped to near zero on the bench charger. Honestly was surprised by how much they took in. I did order mine from china though so delay in shipping and then time to install was probably the culprit.
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Old 01-26-2022, 08:14 PM   #27
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Appreciate the advice. Unfortunately these are drop in 300ah batteries and i am afraid to disassemble them to get to individual cells. Not something i've ever done before... Want to come over and help? 😉
Does your owner's manual or vendor website discuss top balancing the battery? It might be an algorithm and you just have to make sure the charge is at a certain point before top balancing kicks in automatically.

I thought it was a very good point Bussbry made that there might be one cell off but let's assume for the moment they are balanced. What is your actual voltage reading? You say they are charged enough but what is the value?
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Old 01-26-2022, 09:27 PM   #28
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Does your owner's manual or vendor website discuss top balancing the battery? It might be an algorithm and you just have to make sure the charge is at a certain point before top balancing kicks in automatically.

I thought it was a very good point Bussbry made that there might be one cell off but let's assume for the moment they are balanced. What is your actual voltage reading? You say they are charged enough but what is the value?

The batteries are parallel, so if one cell dropped and a BMS opened the other would still be online you would think. He’s reporting that the DC and AC drops so I would *think* it’s more of a current or connection issue than one runaway cell causing both batteries to drop out.

Wellll as I type I guess one cell could drop out and then it would transfer the complete load to the other battery and it may not handle it all on its own and then drop too so this could still make sense.

The diagnostic could be difficult to perform but I think you would have to look for lights on the bms that could lend insight or see if you can get a volt meter on the bms input and watch what happens when they drop and just before. If you see BMS input voltage go up prior to the drop that battery is prolly dropping out first. If it happens at the same time on both batteries the issue probably lies elsewhere. Would be interesting to find out, but who knows if you can access that part of the battery easily.
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Old 01-26-2022, 10:03 PM   #29
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You bottom balance a pack if you want them to arrive at your LVC at about the same time. Thus you need to be more conservative with your stop - charging regulation, ideally based on per-cell/group voltage, e.g. first to get to 3.50V

Top balancing allows you to use pack-level voltage for charge termination.
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Old 03-27-2022, 12:20 AM   #30
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Solved

Solved the issue. Was NOT the bms, but rather the resettable breaker choking the current draw. Replaced with 400w ANL fuse and all is good!
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Old 03-27-2022, 09:20 AM   #31
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Sweet!


Thanks for updating this thread with the solution / conclusion!


Was the breaker defective or just not sized correctly?
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Old 03-27-2022, 10:11 AM   #32
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It was appropriately sized, and never actually tripped. But apparently these things are pretty cheap and don't allow current to flow through in the same manner that a fuse does. Another person had the identical situation on DIY Solar Forum and almost everyone suggested replacing breaker with fuse.
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