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09-19-2018, 01:53 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
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Shore power to ?? question
Hello everyone!
Love this place so much, I have used the site for so much help with our Skokie Build!
I am going to be using an inverter charger in my setup,
My question today is, what order is everyone wiring their bus?
-(Shore power inlet) to (breaker box) to (inverter/charger) to (another panel)
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-(Shore power inlet) to (inverter/charger) to (breaker box) to (outlets)
I plan to have the battery bank wired to the 12v circuit.
I have done about a weeks research on this and read many MANY different ways of running the system.
That you so much!
-The Fox Family-
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09-19-2018, 02:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
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im no expert, but i would say
shore power to transfer switch to panel to outlets
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solar panels to batteries to inverter to transfer switch to panel to outlets
the transfer switch is your key. it detects the incoming source and switches over. it usually prefers one side of the switch (like the shore side) until it detects current on the other side.
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09-19-2018, 02:29 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
Year: 1998
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turf
im no expert, but i would say
shore power to transfer switch to panel to outlets
and
solar panels to batteries to inverter to transfer switch to panel to outlets
the transfer switch is your key. it detects the incoming source and switches over. it usually prefers one side of the switch (like the shore side) until it detects current on the other side.
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Thank you, the inverter/charger has a switch to go between shore and a generator. It'll kick the gen on if shore disconnects or goes out.
we can't add solar just yet, but would love to if finances let.
-FoxFamily-
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09-19-2018, 06:02 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Grayson County, VA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxFamily
-(Shore power inlet) to (inverter/charger) to (breaker box) to (outlets)
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This is how ours is wired up. 30A shore power to the Inverter/Charger (with integrated transfer switch) then that goes to the panel. Also, don't get a bigger inverter than your battery bank can handle.
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09-19-2018, 06:17 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
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Rated Cap: 30k
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Bru
This is how ours is wired up. 30A shore power to the Inverter/Charger (with integrated transfer switch) then that goes to the panel. Also, don't get a bigger inverter than your battery bank can handle.
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Thank you very much! This sounds very close to what we were thinking.
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09-21-2018, 01:17 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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50a
do The two hot legs from 50amp shore both go into the invertsrt/charger? Then out to the panel like we said previously?
Or would only one hot leg run into the inverter/charger then to a sub panel and the other leg run to the main panel?
I have my electrician here with me and there are now so many cans of worms opened up about things we’ve read.
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09-21-2018, 02:46 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: NW Florida
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Coachwork: International
Engine: DT-466
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I'm planning my system pretty much the same way this guy did...
https://faroutride.com/electrical-system/
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09-21-2018, 04:45 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeb
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this looks amazing, thank you very much!
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09-21-2018, 05:24 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Quote:
Or would only one hot leg run into the inverter/charger then to a sub panel and the other leg run to the main panel?
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That's how mine is wired. Your inverter/charger should have detailed wiring diagrams.
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09-24-2018, 12:35 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2018
Location: the Missouri Ozarks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxFamily
do The two hot legs from 50amp shore both go into the invertsrt/charger? Then out to the panel like we said previously?
Or would only one hot leg run into the inverter/charger then to a sub panel and the other leg run to the main panel?
I have my electrician here with me and there are now so many cans of worms opened up about things we’ve read.
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I am researching the same thing right now. I think it depends on what inverter charger you get. Gopower has one that takes 2 50 amp legs. Which one are you thinking?
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09-24-2018, 01:25 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MambaJack
I am researching the same thing right now. I think it depends on what inverter charger you get. Gopower has one that takes 2 50 amp legs. Which one are you thinking?
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I’ve been thinking about an AIMs Power inverter charger. Which one are you looking at that accepts two 50a?
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09-24-2018, 02:00 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2018
Location: the Missouri Ozarks
Posts: 258
Year: 1997
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Chassis: International 3800
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The aims is what I was looking at too, 3kw for 24v battery bank.
I believe it only supports a 30 amp supply.
Go Power! GP-IC2000 was one with dual 50 amp pass through
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09-24-2018, 03:04 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MambaJack
The aims is what I was looking at too, 3kw for 24v battery bank.
I believe it only supports a 30 amp supply.
Go Power! GP-IC2000 was one with dual 50 amp pass through
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When I emailed aims I asked if it could take 50amp shore power and try said yes. But there are so many options 120 to 120 120 to 240, 240 to 240 haha
If I have 50 amp shore coming in I need 240?
Also, is 2000 watts enough?
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09-24-2018, 03:22 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2018
Location: the Missouri Ozarks
Posts: 258
Year: 1997
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Chassis: International 3800
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What is the size of your battery bank? Have you calculated loads yet? I am pretty new to this. Let me see if I can find the link where I got bashed over on solar panel forums.
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09-24-2018, 06:54 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MambaJack
What is the size of your battery bank? Have you calculated loads yet? I am pretty new to this. Let me see if I can find the link where I got bashed over on solar panel forums.
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I suspect that you were over on www.sloarpaneltalk.com .
They can be pretty harsh on new members. If you can tolerate the coarse attitude that some there have there is a wealth of good information.
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09-24-2018, 07:05 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I suspect that you were over on www.sloarpaneltalk.com .
They can be pretty harsh on new members. If you can tolerate the coarse attitude that some there have there is a wealth of good information.
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website misspelled
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09-24-2018, 09:01 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 15
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 30k
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MambaJack
What is the size of your battery bank? Have you calculated loads yet? I am pretty new to this. Let me see if I can find the link where I got bashed over on solar panel forums.
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I haven’t purchased my batteries yet because I’m always reading that depends on what invertaer charger I have. And that depends on what my loads are. They would be:
A/C-8a/15apeak/1530w, stove top, 15a/1800w, refrigerator max 3a, mini oven: 11a/1200w, water heater:12a/1440w, washer/dryer combo: 10.5a/1300w
Misc: 10a/1300w
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09-25-2018, 12:23 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2018
Location: the Missouri Ozarks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I suspect that you were over on www.sloarpaneltalk.com .
They can be pretty harsh on new members. If you can tolerate the coarse attitude that some there have there is a wealth of good information.
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It was but I can handle it, learned a few key things that have helped a lot
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09-25-2018, 12:27 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2018
Location: the Missouri Ozarks
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Year: 1997
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Chassis: International 3800
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxFamily
I haven’t purchased my batteries yet because I’m always reading that depends on what invertaer charger I have. And that depends on what my loads are. They would be:
A/C-8a/15apeak/1530w, stove top, 15a/1800w, refrigerator max 3a, mini oven: 11a/1200w, water heater:12a/1440w, washer/dryer combo: 10.5a/1300w
Misc: 10a/1300w
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Are you planning on running any of that off of batteries or all shore power, that is a heavy load for a battery bank.
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09-25-2018, 01:29 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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Understatement of the year.
First lesson of DC power - reduce consumption, heating and cooling appliances are best run off mains or a genny.
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