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Old 11-17-2020, 11:51 AM   #1
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incinerating toilet

I am in the phase of deciding which toilet to go with.

Black tank is a no go.

Composting maybe but i am not 100% convinced.

Which leaves me with incinerating toilets. So far i found Cinderallla, Eco John Tinyjohn.
Has anyone have one of the two installed in their bus? How do you like them, anything you wish you knew before pulling the trigger on a 5K toilet?
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Old 11-17-2020, 12:11 PM   #2
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After you empty a black tank a couple times you’ll get over it. It’s not even a thing if you empty the black and wash the slinky out with the grey.

There, I saved you $4K!
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Old 11-17-2020, 12:36 PM   #3
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After you empty a black tank a couple times youíll get over it. Itís not even a thing if you empty the black and wash the slinky out with the grey.

There, I saved you $4K!
Thanks but no thanks. Black tank wonít happen.
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Incinerating toilet: $5K
Nature's Head "composting" toilet: $1K
Poop in a bucket: priceless
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Old 11-17-2020, 12:54 PM   #5
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There have been several incinerator toilets patented by different manufacturers over the years, only to go away for one reason or another, unfortunately.

There are usually chemicals or other additives that must be used, as well as significant time between "flushes", before it can be used again.
If I remember, the added chemicals were expensive over the long run when compared to other non-burning commercial toilets.

Not sure if the aforementioned models are still using that technology nowadays???
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:31 PM   #6
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these two models do not need any chemicals, only a paper sleeve that you place into the toilet before you use it.

I am aware of the huge price difference between a incinerating toilet and a composting toilet. But basically you are not composting in a natureshead all you do is dry it out, mix it with coconut husk and then bag it up to go in a landfill. There is nothing composting in there.
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Old 11-17-2020, 05:58 PM   #7
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I am curious too with anyone who owns one of these incinerating toilets. We would go a step further and add a urinal toilet just for pee. I am not into black tanks either and really just want to be able to boondock for longer periods of time or until the 200 gallons of water runs out!
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Old 11-17-2020, 06:21 PM   #8
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Why waste fuel to boil mierda?!

Just poop in a bag and call it good
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Old 11-21-2020, 01:47 PM   #9
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Why waste fuel to boil mierda?!

Just poop in a bag and call it good
only one sentence needed to explain why this wont happen:

Happy wife, happy life.
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:07 PM   #10
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I am curious too with anyone who owns one of these incinerating toilets. We would go a step further and add a urinal toilet just for pee. I am not into black tanks either and really just want to be able to boondock for longer periods of time or until the 200 gallons of water runs out!

Just got one..and are just planning on doing that...yes limit water use.. limit black tank space and weight...

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Old 11-21-2020, 05:31 PM   #11
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Thanks but no thanks. Black tank won’t happen.
I lived full time with a black tank for 8+ years. Vacationing was no big deal. Full time added a few challenges. If I had to go back to it I could.

However, I have no intention of going back. My composting toilet is SOOO much more pleasant to maintain.

I would likely go with a turd burner before having a black tank again.

Some are enamored with there black tanks. Not me
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Old 11-21-2020, 09:12 PM   #12
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I would want a propane fired burner. For us its the simplicity of maintenance. I don't want to be cleaning out a compost toilet. Wife won't do it. If she ain't happy, then I am going alone on the road and she will fly to the destination to meet me. Done this many times before.
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Old 11-21-2020, 10:22 PM   #13
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Ours is electric.. I am changing the heater design to induction in the hope to increase efficiency.
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Old 11-22-2020, 07:43 AM   #14
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only one sentence needed to explain why this wont happen:

Happy wife, happy life.



No wife == even happier Life
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Old 11-22-2020, 10:39 AM   #15
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Good point.

And to be politically correct and inclusive it should be:

Happy partner, happy life!
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Old 11-22-2020, 10:48 AM   #16
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I heard some bad customer service reviews of the eco John. Anyone got experience?

The Cinderella is even more expensive but they seem to have a great customer service.

I am planning on a propane version.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:16 PM   #17
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We do not have or want propane.. only electric and diesel in dory and Elfie( what is left over of it).
I also love stainless, honest durable material,
So we choose Incinolet.

Paid used $650+ shipping help from alpine 44 ( member) and a friend.

The heating spiral turned out broken but for me that is no problem..
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:29 PM   #18
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What is the "cycle time" between "flushes" on that electric unit?
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Old 11-22-2020, 07:59 PM   #19
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seems like with the short-term current that a lithium battery puts out you should be able to have a solar panel dedicated to charging a toilet battery that only has to give a high current for short time? or does the toilet actually stay 'on' during the whole burn?
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:23 PM   #20
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I have lots of experience with a self made composting toilet and an incinolet.

The incinolet, to me, is incompatible with skoolie life for a couple of reasons: One, it uses more power than I can deal with, 75 minutes of 15A at 120V for the one I use frequently, 2250Wh per 'flush', which is roughly half of my usable battery capacity for each burn, and you really have to burn each time. Second, you end up with ****-ash that you have to deal with much the same way you have to deal with a composting toilet. It's kinda nasty and can smell a little smokey in the bathroom I am in, worse in a small bus, and if it's hot when you empty it's start a dumpster fire in no time. (the fire we started was in a paper bag and not in a dumpster, not a big deal, but a wakeup call.) Third, no one wants to pee in it. It's just odd and weird to pee in for some reason, so we constantly pee outside, literally every single time rather than use the incinolet for that.

I was MASSIVELY resistant to the composting toilet before I made it. With the fan that I installed (computer fan mounted to a toilet flange with screws, 3" PVC exhaust through the roof) the thing never smells at all, to the point that using a normal flush toilet is odd and smelly to me now. The typical **** stink that accompanies normal bathroom usage just isn't present, and that's a big deal on a bus where your kitchen and bedroom and office are all in close proximity to the toilet one way or another.

I have to empty it about once every two weeks when I am by myself, but it's a simple matter of unlatching the lid that I made, tying up the composting garbage bags that I use and carrying the bucket outside so there's no risk of leakage. Where I am now I compost the 'humanure' but prior I just tossed it in a dumpster. Yes its kinda nasty, about as bad as a baby diaper pail, but it's once a week at most and so not a big deal once you're used to it. I do have a urine diverter, which makes the composting harder, especially in the desert, but it makes the smell WAY less bad, but that leads me to the 'grey tank' which is technically a black tank, and contains kitchen and shower drains and the pee.

The stank tank is NASTY. It's just awful smelling. You have to dispose of this at sewage treatment plants (I've heard) or campground RV waste facilities, but at least mine has never clogged from ****. I can't imagine how rough it would be if it did. I understand that kitchen drain effluent can smell pretty damn nasty too, and that's technically black water also now, so you have to deal with this one way or another anyway. I would let the shower flow to another tank that you can responsibly dump on the ground to limit trips to empty the black tank, but either way you're gonna end up dealing with that kinda waste so the toilet doesn't add much to it.

All in all I would DEFINITELY vote for a composting toilet again and will have one in my next bus and maybe even the house that I am building. The concept seems crazy but the experiences of just about everyone that uses one really tell the tale. No one regrets it in the end, even wives.
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