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11-17-2020, 10:51 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 59
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Corbeil
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e, Alison 2000 transmission
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incinerating toilet
I am in the phase of deciding which toilet to go with.
Black tank is a no go.
Composting maybe but i am not 100% convinced.
Which leaves me with incinerating toilets. So far i found Cinderallla, Eco John Tinyjohn.
Has anyone have one of the two installed in their bus? How do you like them, anything you wish you knew before pulling the trigger on a 5K toilet?
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11-17-2020, 11:11 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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After you empty a black tank a couple times you’ll get over it. It’s not even a thing if you empty the black and wash the slinky out with the grey.
There, I saved you $4K!
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11-17-2020, 11:36 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 59
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Corbeil
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e, Alison 2000 transmission
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Danjo
After you empty a black tank a couple times you’ll get over it. It’s not even a thing if you empty the black and wash the slinky out with the grey.
There, I saved you $4K!
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Thanks but no thanks. Black tank won’t happen.
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11-17-2020, 11:51 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Incinerating toilet: $5K
Nature's Head "composting" toilet: $1K
Poop in a bucket: priceless
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11-17-2020, 11:54 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 1,349
Year: 1990
Coachwork: Thomas 4 window w/lift
Chassis: G30~Chevy cutaway
Engine: 5.7/350 Chevy Vortec
Rated Cap: Just me and my "stuff"?
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There have been several incinerator toilets patented by different manufacturers over the years, only to go away for one reason or another, unfortunately.
There are usually chemicals or other additives that must be used, as well as significant time between "flushes", before it can be used again.
If I remember, the added chemicals were expensive over the long run when compared to other non-burning commercial toilets.
Not sure if the aforementioned models are still using that technology nowadays???
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11-17-2020, 01:31 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 59
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Corbeil
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e, Alison 2000 transmission
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these two models do not need any chemicals, only a paper sleeve that you place into the toilet before you use it.
I am aware of the huge price difference between a incinerating toilet and a composting toilet. But basically you are not composting in a natureshead all you do is dry it out, mix it with coconut husk and then bag it up to go in a landfill. There is nothing composting in there.
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11-17-2020, 04:58 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 787
Year: 1993
Coachwork: 44' Newell Coach
Engine: 8v92T Detroit
Rated Cap: 2 adults and two pigeons
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I am curious too with anyone who owns one of these incinerating toilets. We would go a step further and add a urinal toilet just for pee. I am not into black tanks either and really just want to be able to boondock for longer periods of time or until the 200 gallons of water runs out!
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11-17-2020, 05:21 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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Why waste fuel to boil mierda?!
Just poop in a bag and call it good
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11-21-2020, 12:47 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 59
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Corbeil
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e, Alison 2000 transmission
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Danjo
Why waste fuel to boil mierda?!
Just poop in a bag and call it good
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only one sentence needed to explain why this wont happen:
Happy wife, happy life.
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11-21-2020, 04:07 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,506
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bus'n it
I am curious too with anyone who owns one of these incinerating toilets. We would go a step further and add a urinal toilet just for pee. I am not into black tanks either and really just want to be able to boondock for longer periods of time or until the 200 gallons of water runs out!
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Just got one..and are just planning on doing that...yes limit water use.. limit black tank space and weight...
Johan
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11-21-2020, 04:31 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusbc
Thanks but no thanks. Black tank won’t happen.
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I lived full time with a black tank for 8+ years. Vacationing was no big deal. Full time added a few challenges. If I had to go back to it I could.
However, I have no intention of going back. My composting toilet is SOOO much more pleasant to maintain.
I would likely go with a turd burner before having a black tank again.
Some are enamored with there black tanks. Not me
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11-21-2020, 08:12 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 787
Year: 1993
Coachwork: 44' Newell Coach
Engine: 8v92T Detroit
Rated Cap: 2 adults and two pigeons
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I would want a propane fired burner. For us its the simplicity of maintenance. I don't want to be cleaning out a compost toilet. Wife won't do it. If she ain't happy, then I am going alone on the road and she will fly to the destination to meet me. Done this many times before.
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11-21-2020, 09:22 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,506
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
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Ours is electric.. I am changing the heater design to induction in the hope to increase efficiency.
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11-22-2020, 06:43 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,835
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusbc
only one sentence needed to explain why this wont happen:
Happy wife, happy life.
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No wife == even happier Life
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11-22-2020, 09:39 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 59
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Corbeil
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e, Alison 2000 transmission
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Good point.
And to be politically correct and inclusive it should be:
Happy partner, happy life!
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11-22-2020, 09:48 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 59
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Corbeil
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e, Alison 2000 transmission
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I heard some bad customer service reviews of the eco John. Anyone got experience?
The Cinderella is even more expensive but they seem to have a great customer service.
I am planning on a propane version.
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11-22-2020, 11:16 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,506
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
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We do not have or want propane.. only electric and diesel in dory and Elfie( what is left over of it).
I also love stainless, honest durable material,
So we choose Incinolet.
Paid used $650+ shipping help from alpine 44 ( member) and a friend.
The heating spiral turned out broken but for me that is no problem..
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11-22-2020, 11:29 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 1,349
Year: 1990
Coachwork: Thomas 4 window w/lift
Chassis: G30~Chevy cutaway
Engine: 5.7/350 Chevy Vortec
Rated Cap: Just me and my "stuff"?
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What is the "cycle time" between "flushes" on that electric unit?
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11-22-2020, 06:59 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,835
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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seems like with the short-term current that a lithium battery puts out you should be able to have a solar panel dedicated to charging a toilet battery that only has to give a high current for short time? or does the toilet actually stay 'on' during the whole burn?
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11-25-2020, 04:23 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Cerrillos, NM
Posts: 393
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: Front Engine
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 72
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I have lots of experience with a self made composting toilet and an incinolet.
The incinolet, to me, is incompatible with skoolie life for a couple of reasons: One, it uses more power than I can deal with, 75 minutes of 15A at 120V for the one I use frequently, 2250Wh per 'flush', which is roughly half of my usable battery capacity for each burn, and you really have to burn each time. Second, you end up with ****-ash that you have to deal with much the same way you have to deal with a composting toilet. It's kinda nasty and can smell a little smokey in the bathroom I am in, worse in a small bus, and if it's hot when you empty it's start a dumpster fire in no time. (the fire we started was in a paper bag and not in a dumpster, not a big deal, but a wakeup call.) Third, no one wants to pee in it. It's just odd and weird to pee in for some reason, so we constantly pee outside, literally every single time rather than use the incinolet for that.
I was MASSIVELY resistant to the composting toilet before I made it. With the fan that I installed (computer fan mounted to a toilet flange with screws, 3" PVC exhaust through the roof) the thing never smells at all, to the point that using a normal flush toilet is odd and smelly to me now. The typical **** stink that accompanies normal bathroom usage just isn't present, and that's a big deal on a bus where your kitchen and bedroom and office are all in close proximity to the toilet one way or another.
I have to empty it about once every two weeks when I am by myself, but it's a simple matter of unlatching the lid that I made, tying up the composting garbage bags that I use and carrying the bucket outside so there's no risk of leakage. Where I am now I compost the 'humanure' but prior I just tossed it in a dumpster. Yes its kinda nasty, about as bad as a baby diaper pail, but it's once a week at most and so not a big deal once you're used to it. I do have a urine diverter, which makes the composting harder, especially in the desert, but it makes the smell WAY less bad, but that leads me to the 'grey tank' which is technically a black tank, and contains kitchen and shower drains and the pee.
The stank tank is NASTY. It's just awful smelling. You have to dispose of this at sewage treatment plants (I've heard) or campground RV waste facilities, but at least mine has never clogged from ****. I can't imagine how rough it would be if it did. I understand that kitchen drain effluent can smell pretty damn nasty too, and that's technically black water also now, so you have to deal with this one way or another anyway. I would let the shower flow to another tank that you can responsibly dump on the ground to limit trips to empty the black tank, but either way you're gonna end up dealing with that kinda waste so the toilet doesn't add much to it.
All in all I would DEFINITELY vote for a composting toilet again and will have one in my next bus and maybe even the house that I am building. The concept seems crazy but the experiences of just about everyone that uses one really tell the tale. No one regrets it in the end, even wives.
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