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03-19-2020, 09:52 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Athens, TN
Posts: 1,574
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International RE
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 76
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Best/Easy Front Door replacement
Hey there,
Hoping to get a bunch of ideas on replacing the the folding/air/electric/handcrank "front door" with something better insulated, quieter, and lockable.
I've seen residential door replacements and RV doors... the former seem easy enough, but I have a hard time finding the parts needed in the latter! Sources for these if they work well would be nice, as I'm currently leaning towards residential.
Can those of you who did this pitch your approaches my way? I'm looking for ideas. Pictures help! Do you miss the ability to see the ground through the door?
Thanks!
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03-19-2020, 09:59 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Before you pick your replacement take some time and pay attention to how much you look out of the glass in the doors while driving.
I have driven buses with a solid door and really missed the visibility. I have glass full height in mine and am going to keep it
My plan is to rebuild my existing door to fit the requirements that you are looking for except for the insulation. It will be double pane glass but that is minimal.
Good luck with your project.
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03-19-2020, 10:26 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Grayson County, VA
Posts: 1,428
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Before you pick your replacement take some time and pay attention to how much you look out of the glass in the doors while driving.
I have driven buses with a solid door and really missed the visibility. I have glass full height in mine and am going to keep it
My plan is to rebuild my existing door to fit the requirements that you are looking for except for the insulation. It will be double pane glass but that is minimal.
Good luck with your project.
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Great advice. We love being able to see out the glass, both while driving and while parked. We also prefer the look of the bus door over a residential door. Its one of those projects that still needs to be done though...we'll get to it right after that one project we've been meaning to do!
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03-19-2020, 01:11 PM
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#4
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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I got an RV door for my bus. I can see people's arguments for keeping the orginal doors but they're not very secure and rattle/squeak and are not very watertight.
I see lots of high end motorcoaches that do just fine with a small window on the entry door.
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03-19-2020, 01:29 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Athens, TN
Posts: 1,574
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International RE
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 76
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
I got an RV door for my bus. I can see people's arguments for keeping the orginal doors but they're not very secure and rattle/squeak and are not very watertight.
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Where'd you source your door?
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03-19-2020, 01:33 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kazetsukai
Where'd you source your door?
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Local marketplace from a guy that was parting out a junked travel trailer. RV trailer doors come in a few different standard sizes. I lucked out and got one of the larger ones that almost completely fills in the bus door frame (it's just about 14 inches shorter at the top)
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03-20-2020, 02:07 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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The sight-line is the biggest problem I have with replacing the door. However, my wife and I are considering moving the door back to behind the first window.
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03-20-2020, 05:56 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Cuyahoga Falls Ohio
Posts: 592
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Startrans
Chassis: Ford e-350 single wheel
Engine: 5.4 litre
Rated Cap: 12
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I bought a scratch and dent RV door from ebay. The window is frosted and you can not see through it at all. It took a couple trips but I got use to not seeing through it.
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03-20-2020, 06:58 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,437
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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Built my own.
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03-20-2020, 07:09 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Central missouri
Posts: 128
Chassis: 2000 Int Amtran
Engine: DT466HT
Rated Cap: 84
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3 word solution. Don't see many of those. Very nice work sir! To say I am not envious of your skill set would be a complete lie.
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03-20-2020, 03:12 PM
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#11
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Very nice indeed ... with a screen door too!
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03-20-2020, 06:42 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,231
Year: 1935
Coachwork: Superior
Chassis: Chevy
Engine: 317 ci/tid / Isuzu
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I wanted to keep the look of the original door so I welded the bifold together, added some 1/8" plate around the edges and center and hung the thing on a pneumatic shuttle bus mechanism. I could have mounted it on standard hinges and it would have worked/looked about the same. Jack
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03-20-2020, 10:27 PM
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#13
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Nice, it keeps the classic lines but also opens up so wide!
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03-25-2020, 03:12 PM
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#14
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 271
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Front door
I saw a family that put a regular Dutch door on their bus. Door Jams, mental clad exterior door with a nice window in the top section. No more air leaking or easy access. Cheers
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03-25-2020, 04:19 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 6
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What my plans are is to weld the door shut (replace the rubber for steel and seal the door). Move the steps and a steel replacement door (staying curbside) back 10-12 feet. This makes it feel more like an R.V. and will really confuse people trying to break in! lol
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03-25-2020, 09:25 PM
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#16
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: East Texas
Posts: 21
Year: 2006
Coachwork: Goshen
Chassis: Ford E-450
Engine: 6.0 Diesel
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Skoolie door replacement
Lately I've been seeing RV 5th wheelers using marker light replacement cameras. They have video in the tow vehicle and mount the camera to replace and draw power from a pre-existing marker light. Possibly you could install a camera somewhere near the door to eliminate that blind spot. It seems to work for them.
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03-26-2020, 06:51 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Pensacola
Posts: 77
Year: 2001
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtdoctor
I saw a family that put a regular Dutch door on their bus. Door Jams, mental clad exterior door with a nice window in the top section. No more air leaking or easy access. Cheers
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We are working with our fabricator/welder friend to rig up a steel Dutch door like you described. Any more advice concerning that set up on a standard skoolie door?
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03-26-2020, 01:41 PM
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#18
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sandpoint, ID
Posts: 542
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Girardin Microbird MB-IV
Chassis: Ford E450
Engine: 7.3 Diesel
Rated Cap: 25
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I welded my two panels together and added a metal rectangular stock piece to the rear to make up the gap from the weather seals. Ordered a storm door handle with locking deadbolt. It didn't improve the insulation but definitely the air infiltration.
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03-26-2020, 01:46 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 375
Year: 2003
Chassis: Chevy cut-away 6-window shortie
Engine: 6.0L Gasser
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peakbus
I welded my two panels together and added a metal rectangular stock piece to the rear to make up the gap from the weather seals. Ordered a storm door handle with locking deadbolt. It didn't improve the insulation but definitely the air infiltration.
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Looks really good! Thanks for posting!
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03-26-2020, 01:57 PM
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#20
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Wild Wild West
Posts: 691
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC RE
Engine: 8.3 Cummins MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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My plan for now is the same as some of the others. I'm going to make the bi-fold a solid door hinged on the right side. I plan to reposition the air cylinder opener to the bottom to open and close the door. I'm not a fan of the house door look. After I get the rest of the bus functional, I plan to fab my own door to look more like the high dollar coach doors, fitting in more with the lines of the bus.
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