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Old 05-22-2024, 03:12 PM   #1
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2011+ Drivetrain?!?!

I know most recommend pre2004 but I am hoping to have something I can make run another 20 years. With parks and insurance companies already looking at skoolies sideways, I think I rather stay a bit newer. Thinking 2011+ is the way to go, to avoid the DEF nightmares that were born of the years 2004-2010.

So, this brings me to the question of what is the best drive train 2011+ is?

I see a lot of recommendations for DT466 and Allison3000 combo but these are mentioned by within same posts/threads as pre2004. Do they even still make these for 2011+? Or is there another combo I should be looking for in these later years?

Added: I am also looking for a 40ft and can handle cross country to include mountains. Don't mind a slower ride to get there as long as we can safely make it through all the passes. I got 5 kids I'm towing around.

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Old 05-24-2024, 05:08 PM   #2
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Quick search shoes DT466 were no longer made after 1992.

Instead, they now have P after. Really would like imput from someone who knows about these engines on what I should look for.
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Old 05-24-2024, 05:13 PM   #3
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Huge shout out to Wide Awake Travels on YouTube for this Google sheet

https://www.reddit.com/r/skoolies/co...t=share_button
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Old 05-24-2024, 06:18 PM   #4
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Engine: DT466, Allison MT643
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I am not the smartest guy, but I've been scouring boards related to the 466 and it seems that the last 466 engines came off the line in 2015 meaning some 2016 buses will have the MaxxForce 466e.

That all said, the emission requirements put on them is what did them in. As I understand it the reliability noticeably dropped with the Electronic controls needed for emissions monitoring.

If you want newer, than the 466 isn't necessarily at the top of the list.

Just my uninformed 2 cents.
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Old 05-24-2024, 06:36 PM   #5
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I am not the smartest guy, but I've been scouring boards related to the 466 and it seems that the last 466 engines came off the line in 2015 meaning some 2016 buses will have the MaxxForce 466e.

That all said, the emission requirements put on them is what did them in. As I understand it the reliability noticeably dropped with the Electronic controls needed for emissions monitoring.

If you want newer, than the 466 isn't necessarily at the top of the list.

Just my uninformed 2 cents.
I greatly appreciate the response and the information.

I think the emissions is just something we have to accept at this point. But I'm curious what you think is now at top of the list if not the 466?!?!
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Old 05-24-2024, 07:21 PM   #6
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I would look for buses that use newer Cummins engines, just because Cummins is so ubiquitous even if it’s problematic you’ll never be far from someone who can work on it. I’ve also heard good word from the new Detroit engines.
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Old 05-24-2024, 07:25 PM   #7
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That is a good tip. I remember when driving OTR seeing Cummins mechanic signs everywhere. I think you just solved my dilemma. THANK YOU!

Any insight on transmission? Is there a brand with same concept of being ubiquitous?
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Old 05-24-2024, 07:26 PM   #8
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That is a good tip. I remember when driving OTR seeing Cummins mechanic signs everywhere. I think you just solved my dilemma. THANK YOU!

Any insight on transmission? Is there a brand with same concept of being ubiquitous?
I think Allison is still the de facto. I believe they still make the 3000, itís a great unit.
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Old 05-24-2024, 07:36 PM   #9
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i think allison is still the de facto. I believe they still make the 3000, itís a great unit.
thank you!!!
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Old 05-25-2024, 08:54 AM   #10
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IMO cummins is the only option, and it's not all that good. Paccar engines(not sure if they're offered in buses) are cummins rebranded.

Cat quit the business in 2009, everything after that that is "cat" is just something rebranded, primarily navistars.

Navistar/international quit after their maxxforce debacle finally caught up to them 10 or so years ago. I personally wouldn't buy one after 2004.

Mercedes is pretty hard to find techs/parts to work on. Those that own reportedly have no issues though fwiw.

Thomas offers detroits, whose mechanics and parts are little more common, but not by much.

And that google sheet you've shared has been on here before. https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f33/s...eet-43069.html A lot of errors/discrepencies on it. I'm in the process(a slow one) of creating one that is a little less flawed.....
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Old 05-25-2024, 08:55 AM   #11
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Go with 14 and newer. First generation of dpf/egr was total crap and more headaches then not.
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Old 05-26-2024, 07:00 AM   #12
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I understand it's a work on progress but would you be willing to share what you have so far?
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Old 05-26-2024, 07:01 AM   #13
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Thank you. I appreciate this. Any more details on Cummins? Any that I should definitely avoid or look for?
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