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Old 11-07-2024, 09:22 PM   #1
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Join Date: May 2024
Location: Billings Mt
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Year: 1971
Coachwork: Crown Coach Corp.
Chassis: A-743-11
Engine: Cummins 220
Rated Cap: 41 passenger
71 Crown

Thanks for the add, and all the help with my first post. The batteries are in, new tires(ish) are on and got it running. Should have changed the fuel filter first. Brakes are good and only thing that really needed fixed was the 1/8 air line to the splitter. Brought some line and splices with so got it good to go. Added some coolant and ran for about 30 minutes to check everything over. Built air no problem, and almost no H2O in the tanks.
So we hit the road, about an hour drive. She handled really good. I was concerned it might have some dry rot in the air bags I couldn't see. But she's home now and ready for a deep clean and a serious update. I will post pics as it progresses.
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Old 11-07-2024, 09:48 PM   #2
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Location: Western MT
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Year: 1990
Chassis: Crown Supercoach
Engine: Detroit 6-71TA, 10 sp.
Rated Cap: 90 (40')
Hey neighbor, nice looking ride! Can't wait to see what you do with it.

Let me know if you ever pass through Missoula and we can swap Crown stories.
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Old 11-07-2024, 10:20 PM   #3
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Year: 1989
Coachwork: Crown Coach
Chassis: 40ft 3-axle 10spd O/D, Factory A/C
Engine: 300hp Cummins 855
Rated Cap: 91
Very nice. You mention a "Splitter" needing a small airline leak fixed. It sounds like that may in fact be a RoadRanger most likely a 10 speed. Can you offer any pics of the dash area showing the decal/plate with original transmission shifting pattern? They usually had model # and shifting pattern and how to use the range selector button to go from low range (1-5 gears) to high range (6-10th gear).

A pic of the shifter and "splitter" valve can also tell me what you have. Fuller RoadRangers and Spicer used different valves since the transmissions shifted completely different from each other.

One other clue is the actual shift pattern itself, and that it's an actual Fuller RoadRanger, and not a Spicer with a totally different air splitter operation which I've only rarely seen in Crowns. If the 4th and 9th are to the right and UP then it's a 10th gear direct 1:1 ratio, meaning 5th and 10th are right and DOWN. If 4th and 5th are reversed where 4th is DOWN and 5th is UP then it's a 10 speed Overdrive where 10th is usually about 1:.87 for a little bit more (about 12mph) road speed. This is all assuming facts not in evidence so any info you can provide I can offer more assistance. See my other posts for some in depth descriptions of Fuller RoadRanger models and shifting operations and how to know what you really have installed.

A good running 220 Cummins should be a total joy to have and use. Plenty of power and good fuel economy and very quiet on the road which means lower engine noise related fatigue for long drives.

I'm a complete Detroit 2-stroke fanatic and totally love the noise, idiosyncrasies, lower torque, much higher driver attention to driving them without lugging it or getting it hot, everything that makes the DD 2-stroke today so hard for most to understand or want to deal with. They were all we knew and I loved them to death, still do.

Cummins were also very common in Crowns but not so much in the later years due to lower costs to purchase and repair DD's, but the Cummins always were there. Two Crowns I own have each engine, a turbo DD-6-71 with a non-OD 10 speed RoadRanger, and the other has a 300hp Big Cam III turbo'd 855 Cummins and a 10-spd OD Roadranger. I love them both but have to admit that for long drives on the open road and over hill and dales the Cummins is truly a joy to drive and so much quieter and more relaxing. So much torque and power makes for a laid back casual driving experience.

The DD is for sport and mountain roads and generally having fun with the bus and engine noise. The Cummins is more leisurely and for serious extended road trips. Don't have to attend to it like with a DD. Cummins has a different torque curve and makes it much easier on the driver with bottom end torque and easy to handle in the hills (with a 10 speed much more so). Cummins also don't tend to get hot under load like the DD's can. All Crowns were magnificently engineered with plenty of cooling system capacity for both engine installations, and as long as everything is working OK with the cooling system you shouldn't ever have problems keeping the engine cool. Cummins even more so.

You mentioned Air bags.... If that is a full air-ride Crown, both front and rear, you have what amounts to a Unicorn and should be extremely happy with it. They just didn't produce many at all and only for special customers willing to pay for the expensive option of full air suspension. I suspect your Crown was never a School bus but most likely used for field trips and special activities, the Sedan entry door says so. Some Colleges also ordered them with lots of extra goodies too. That Sedan entry door, the large high mounted front turn signal housings, (which I love), maybe others like the air-ride not visible from the outside are all indicators of never being a home to school bus. You may have just managed to acquire a rare and very desirable Crown. Congratulations.

Now lets hope the Engine and transmission and the rest of the running gear is in good condition. If you don't have any serious or expensive issues you have a bus you can drive as much and as far as you can afford to and it will always be asking for more. There just isn't any way for a private party to put on the kind of high mileage Crowns were designed to do under commercial operations. The best advise I can give is to drive the hell out of it and keep it on the road as much as you can. The more you drive it you'll see that you have much fewer little annoying problems. They need and love to be driven HARD. And with that air-ride you'll see just how much of a thrill it is on the open road. Nothing like it. Even the super expensive various highway coaches aren't as much fun to drive as a good Crown, and the air-ride is a very special enhancement over the normal spring suspension. I'm always on the hunt for one like yours with full air-ride it's the best of all worlds. You get legendary Crown over-engineering, reliability, ease of maintenance, overall simplicity of systems plus the special advantage of a full air-ride suspension that is just as good as the over the road highway Coaches. What's not to love. Awesome.

I'd love to have more info/pics on what your Crown has installed. It also appears to have been converted to a motorhome already and I hope it was a good job and you aren't going to inherit someone else's flaky ideas of what and how to convert a bus. Some are decent and others can be real nightmares.

Please feel free to contact me directly if you have questions or guidance in how to get the most out of your new Crown. As you gain knowledge about it you'll soon come to understand why us Crown owners all feel the way we do about them. They're simply the best and will easily last another 100 years with normal care and feeding. Welcome to the Crown Owners Fraternity, you've taken your first steps into a larger Universe. mikemcc2k@yahoo.com
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Old 11-08-2024, 12:37 PM   #4
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Year: 1971
Coachwork: Crown Coach Corp.
Chassis: A-743-11
Engine: Cummins 220
Rated Cap: 41 passenger
I am as surprised as you are, I looked at it for years before stopping and asking about it. My daughter couldn't be happier about acquiring it! We drove it down the highway at 55-60 mph and the speedometer bounches a bit, however she rode along and it was a blast. Only a few lights out so that was nice. Definitely post more as we work on it.
Almost got up to 180 on the temp, all heaters worked and barely smoked at all after warm up. Like I said it sat for over 15 yrs. So needless to say I was nervous about startup.
I have a construction company, so a redo is super easy. Plus we do spray foam so I will be considering that.
As having been in the trucking business for over 30 yrs. I am not unfamiliar with trucks. Always kept my cdl for driving during low construction times.
Thanks for all the sharing, it is going to be a fun journey and time with the family. The girls are already going over color schemes.
Thanks again to all in this group.
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Old 11-08-2024, 05:47 PM   #5
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Chassis: HPO
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Welcom Sharkbonz! It looks like Crown_Guy has already covered the big stuff, so I offer something kinda small. If you are interested in the history of your Crown you can go to the Pacific Bus Museum website and use the free Crown page for a condensed history on your Crown, or for a small donation they can provide the mulit-page build sheets for your bus.

Short teaser, your bus was built for Cody High School in Wyoming.

https://pacbus.org/archives/crown/
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Old 11-28-2024, 12:46 PM   #6
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Now that is great news! Thank you for that information!
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