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Old 03-28-2021, 02:56 AM   #61
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Yes, this is certainly a toe-tapping tune. I heartily approve of lively & cheerful music.

Now....
Since this thread is already flirting with the realm of literature and thus critical thinking....
Who is ready to think a little bit deeper?

In the lyrics, a man is preparing to commit murder. He does not like his daughter's boyfriend, so he plans to confront the boy, armed with a rifle Ė a "3030 in his lap".

"3030" is a rifle cartridge -- .30-30 Winchester.

Is it wise of us as a society to condone, and even glorify, such behavior?


This concludes my Sunday sermon. Tea and cookies in the (covid virtual) vestibule. Luv ya.
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Sorry Elliot I just don't see it, I think you're taking a big stretch to say a man is "preparing to commit murder" I see a man showing his intention to protect his family from harm at any cost and making it very clear the consequences of crossing a line. Not only do I not have a problem with it I can say unless you've been in that situation you will never really know what you are capable of.
Anyways pretty heavy and way off topic of op so if we are going down this path let's start a fresh one.
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Old 03-28-2021, 08:13 AM   #62
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The thread has finished ,so no problem get if thread..Maybe not preparing or intending to commit murder but gearing up with a rifle for just a hart to hart talk with a boyfriend is funny in the song but not so funny in real life..the youngster would probably bring his AR15. There is no end to this, neither in the song or in real life in the USA.

The tikwondo approach is much better. The dad in the song failed to teach his daughter to protect herself and or to make proper judgement..hence the need the defend her on the boyfriend level.. basically the dad failed in providing proper education and training.

The implied lifestyle on the bus in the song is absent of any responsibility or how one could actually such a happy unrestricted lifestyle. In reality someone is paying.

I am really amazed that these incredibly dumb socialist countries with these horrible evil governments that have these huge mass shootings and murder statistics.

This is the land of opportunity and Darwin but we are not gaining intelligence.



To have weapons to organize yourself against the government would require very high level equipment. Very few people actually can or would spend that money on personal defense against an evil government.
So a nice thought but completely impractical.

For personal defence?? Against the wild animals?? Against all the violent criminals... The poor are getting poorer and more desperate.. guns are no solution out of that cycle, only reducing the gap between rich and poor is. The USA is pretty poor is providing a solution for the " richest", " most powerful", "advanced" country in the world.


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Old 03-28-2021, 12:39 PM   #63
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The thread has finished ,so no problem get if thread..Maybe not preparing or intending to commit murder but gearing up with a rifle for just a hart to hart talk with a boyfriend is funny in the song but not so funny in real life..the youngster would probably bring his AR15. There is no end to this, neither in the song or in real life in the USA.

The tikwondo approach is much better. The dad in the song failed to teach his daughter to protect herself and or to make proper judgement..hence the need the defend her on the boyfriend level.. basically the dad failed in providing proper education and training.

The implied lifestyle on the bus in the song is absent of any responsibility or how one could actually such a happy unrestricted lifestyle. In reality someone is paying.

I am really amazed that these incredibly dumb socialist countries with these horrible evil governments that have these huge mass shootings and murder statistics.

This is the land of opportunity and Darwin but we are not gaining intelligence.



To have weapons to organize yourself against the government would require very high level equipment. Very few people actually can or would spend that money on personal defense against an evil government.
So a nice thought but completely impractical.

For personal defence?? Against the wild animals?? Against all the violent criminals... The poor are getting poorer and more desperate.. guns are no solution out of that cycle, only reducing the gap between rich and poor is. The USA is pretty poor is providing a solution for the " richest", " most powerful", "advanced" country in the world.


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The lyrics implied don't mess with my daughter or there will be consequences nothing more.
The Dad failed to teach her to protect herself or make better choices? Blame the victim? So it's her fault if the nice new boyfriend turns out to a total as*hole?
What does this have to do with bus lifestyle, socialist countries, politics, evil government or rich vs poor? Sometimes people are just as*holes and need to understand they can't always act that way without some form of payback. I said earlier unless you have been in that position you never really know what you could do, well I've been in that position and I don't have a gun. Many years ago the ex boyfriend of my little sister didn't understand the ex part and didn't really care about the restraining order or the many visits from the police so after a hard night of drinking he decided at 2:00 am to kick in the front door of my parents house and terrorize them and my sister. Humans are animals and sometimes animals are broken and vicious, I didn't bring a gun that day but what I brought was her two other very big brothers. Since violence was the only thing this animal understood it was violence and a serious beating that made him understand that this family has had enough.
It's funny but somehow thru all that I never thought to blame my dad or my sister.
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Hi Oscar , I am sorry to hear about your personal bad experiences and also glad that you did not bring a gun to that fight.

I did not think that the song implied that the daughter had an issue with the boy friend..( not ex ) but that the dad had an issue as no doubt many dad's have regarding their daughters choises and in that regard it is interesting that a gun has to appear in the scene.
If you want to twist that into me blaming the victim? In the lyrics their is no victim , only a dad with a rifle.

That is the essence of the line in the lyrics.. it is engrained in our society with rarely good and mostly bad outcome... we see guns as a solution to every problem.

The rest of my argument was just related to the immense problem our country has and part of that showes itself in the amount of relatively innocent people harmed by gun violence relative to other countries.

After all it could not be that we have such a large amount of as**oles concentrated over here that that would explain the statistics compared with other rich west european countries.
Smart people try to learn from other people's approaches.. that is where Darwin comes in.

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The tikwondo approach is much better. The dad in the song failed to teach his daughter to protect herself and or to make proper judgement..hence the need the defend her on the boyfriend level.. basically the dad failed in providing proper education and training.

Sorry but that looks like blame to me!
We obviously have very different opinions about guns and thatís ok.
I believe a gun is a tool no different than any other mechanical device, violence comes from the head, the heart and conditioning. Some say all gun use is gun violence and I disagree, recently a man used a shotgun in a church in Texas, that was violence, the fellow named Jack that ended it seconds later used a gun to save potentially dozens of lives. To me thatís not gun violence itís the use of the appropriate tool. If I wish you harm I donít need a gun, Iím sure a screwdriver, knife or piece of wire would do, likely even the sharpened edge of a credit card would suffice. Yesterday afternoon at 1:45 pm a man in North Vancouver, not far from my home stabbed ten random people, one fatally. I truly wish Jack had been there.
You are right that things are very different in the USA and I doubt there is an easy solution but taking guns away from lawful citizens is like taking away their car after a drunk driver runs over a bunch of kids. like it or not your country was built on the idea that itís right to protect yourself and protect others and I think thatís a great thing.
Letís agree to disagree, look out for each other and get back to the buses for a while.
stay safe out there

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Old 03-28-2021, 11:47 PM   #68
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I've had guns all my life and don't expect to ever change. I've never threatened anyone and have no intentions of ever doing so. I like target shooting and reloading and have met some wonderful people at the range.
That being said, I would advise against threatening me or my loved ones.
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