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07-28-2021, 06:19 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 2
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Howdy, and a question about fire suppression system
Happy to say I finally joined your ranks after lurking for a couple years.
Just got my first project: a2006 E350 cutaway with a 5.4 V8. It's small and high mileage, but it was cheap and I'm gonna practice on it before I decide if I wanna go big.
As I'm clearing out the interior, I was wondering if anyone had any experience removing the fire suppression system in their bus to gain some storage space. I'm pretty confident in my demo thus far, but I'm a little skittish about unleashing the power of a massive tank if I do it wrong. It's a pretty common design as far as I can tell, with the tank right near the entry door (see pix). Any ideas?
Thanks ahead of time!
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07-29-2021, 11:04 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Just south of Dallas.
Posts: 172
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 40' MVP-ER
Engine: Cat 3126
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Man! I'd leave it!!!
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07-29-2021, 11:48 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia
Posts: 1,043
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner
Engine: C7 Cat
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Hello and welcome.
Yep I agree, doesn't look like you're going to gain much space for taking out what someone obviously thought was a very useful safety device.
Cool feature and likely was an expensive option.
Cheers
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07-29-2021, 11:49 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia
Posts: 1,043
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner
Engine: C7 Cat
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P.S. If you do decide to take it out you can always recycle it by sending it my way
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07-29-2021, 11:53 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar1
P.S. If you do decide to take it out you can always recycle it by sending it my way
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^^^ Forget this guy - I'll come get it!
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07-29-2021, 12:19 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 2
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That's funny, I thought of it as a good idea for safety in a bus full of kiddies, but overkill for a schlub like me. Maybe I'll leave it, but I'm not even sure if it works or how to test it... Or if I even should.
Thanks for your thoughts!
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07-29-2021, 12:21 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jgcfritz
That's funny, I thought of it as a good idea for safety in a bus full of kiddies, but overkill for a schlub like me. Maybe I'll leave it, but I'm not even sure if it works or how to test it... Or if I even should.
Thanks for your thoughts!
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Even a schlub is going to be pretty depressed when his bus burns to the ground after putting years of work into it. But hey, you could put an umbrella stand there instead!
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07-29-2021, 12:39 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 994
Year: 1999
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Race cars have them accidently go off all the time, make huge mess.
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07-29-2021, 01:10 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeNimble
Race cars have them accidently go off all the time, make huge mess.
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Spent 18 years racing NASCAR, never seen a system discharge accidentally. They are filled with a gas, they make no mess or leave a residue.
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07-29-2021, 01:13 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia
Posts: 1,043
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner
Engine: C7 Cat
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This is a boat engine compartment fire port.
It allows you to confirm fire without lifting the engine cover and introducing more oxygen and then the slit allows you to poke an extinguisher through the port. Might be real handy in our builds to put them in the electrical closets.
Cheers
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08-04-2021, 11:15 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Just south of Dallas.
Posts: 172
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 40' MVP-ER
Engine: Cat 3126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar1
Attachment 59949
This is a boat engine compartment fire port.
It allows you to confirm fire without lifting the engine cover and introducing more oxygen and then the slit allows you to poke an extinguisher through the port. Might be real handy in our builds to put them in the electrical closets.
Cheers
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Thank you. AWESOME!
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08-04-2021, 02:36 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 787
Year: 1993
Coachwork: 44' Newell Coach
Engine: 8v92T Detroit
Rated Cap: 2 adults and two pigeons
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Thanks Oscar, that’s a great idea!
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08-04-2021, 03:46 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,607
Year: 1996
Coachwork: AmTran (Now Navistar)
Engine: DT444E (7.3L) International
Rated Cap: 31,800 pounds
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I'd probably pull it out unless it ONLY goes into the engine compartment (or you can modify it to only disperse in the engine compartment) and uses NON CORROSIVE gaseous or dry chemical media.
Gaseous or dry chemical systems dispersing into a passenger compartment can KILL through a number of mechanisms.
Corrosive media disbursing into your engine compartment will likely result in a totaled vehicle. Yes it might stop the fire but corrosion will rapidly destroy things.
You should also check the servicing costs and interval. Pressurized vessels require testing or replacement which can be prohibitively expensive.
It would be nice to have an effective and reliable built in fire suppression system but be sure you know all the variables before deciding to pull it, leave it, or modify it.
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