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Old 11-27-2017, 04:53 PM   #1
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I need help!

So i have obtained an International 1600 superior coach. where would i find details about the bus? Where can i find a Vin/Serial number? and how can i figure out the year
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:07 PM   #2
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So i have obtained an International 1600 superior coach. where would i find details about the bus? Where can i find a Vin/Serial number? and how can i figure out the year
Obtained? Found? Grew? How you obtain bus with no papers, Ke-mo sah-bee?

photos?
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:25 PM   #3
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Obtained? Found? Grew? How you obtain bus with no papers, Ke-mo sah-bee?

photos?
The bus has been sitting at my girlfriends grandfathers body shop since we met and i asked him about it he said his friend put it there 25+ years ago. As far as we all know his friend who previously owned the bus is now deceased. and Im trying to figure out how i would get the title.
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Old 11-27-2017, 06:38 PM   #4
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The bus has been sitting at my girlfriends grandfathers body shop since we met and i asked him about it he said his friend put it there 25+ years ago. As far as we all know his friend who previously owned the bus is now deceased. and Im trying to figure out how i would get the title.
See, now THAT is a story.

If you can get inside the bus, it will have a stamped ID plate on it with the VIN. It may be in a few places, but look around driver's area/firewall/above windshield.

Post some pics when you get a chance. Welcome !

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Old 11-27-2017, 06:50 PM   #5
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Old 11-27-2017, 06:52 PM   #6
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See, now THAT is a story.

If you can get inside the bus, it will have a stamped ID plate on it with the VIN. It may be in a few places, but look around driver's area/firewall/above windshield.

Post some pics when you get a chance. Welcome !

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thank you for your reply i will get more pictures this weekend. Do you have any suggestions on how i should obtain the title?
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:35 PM   #7
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not sure in your state, but if the person is deceased and it was parked on someone elses property, that person can file for a mechanics lien.. stating in some way that there was work done to it or rent for the space wasnt payed, etc.. a letter will be sent to the last knowmn owner.. or in this case an estate. if no response is returned within i think 30 or 60 days then they do a search for the person or estate and try to contact.. 99% of the time unless its some restored classic no one wants anything to do with it.. then the state will issue a title to the property owner who filed the lien.. and then the ycan transfer it to you...

I did this in Ohio with one of the hotrods I built years ago... took a few months but i got a clear non-salvage title for it.
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:47 PM   #8
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not sure in your state, but if the person is deceased and it was parked on someone elses property, that person can file for a mechanics lien.. stating in some way that there was work done to it or rent for the space wasnt payed, etc.. a letter will be sent to the last knowmn owner.. or in this case an estate. if no response is returned within i think 30 or 60 days then they do a search for the person or estate and try to contact.. 99% of the time unless its some restored classic no one wants anything to do with it.. then the state will issue a title to the property owner who filed the lien.. and then the ycan transfer it to you...

I did this in Ohio with one of the hotrods I built years ago... took a few months but i got a clear non-salvage title for it.
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Thank you very much i hope that will work. I talk to her grandfather about it when i see him next.
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:22 PM   #9
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Is the body solid enough to put all this time and money into?
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:44 PM   #10
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If this bus is in TN (as your profile indicates), I would see if just a hand-written bill of sale would be enough. As long as the VIN isn't showing stolen, no one looks too deeply into the vehicle history. I know in GA, a bill of sale is fine for anything 1985 or older. Anything 86 and up requires a title.

Look under the hood, on the firewall for a VIN from IH (probably on the "passenger" side).
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:45 PM   #11
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Is the body solid enough to put all this time and money into?
as far as i know everything is solid there is no rust holes straight thru the floor. i have only seen surface rust so far when i clean the bus out ill take pics so you can see the damage. the previous owner had a motor stored in it and most of the back half is covered in oil because he had the pistons in oil and the container busted so im hoping there is little rust in the back. and there is no rust holes in the roof
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:58 AM   #12
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so this is some information I found on the bus

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Is this all the stuff I need to get a title?


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Old 12-02-2017, 12:04 PM   #13
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:06 PM   #14
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That’s correct is that all I need for s title and registering it


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Old 12-02-2017, 01:26 PM   #15
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That’s correct is that all I need for s title and registering it


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Abandoned, Immobile or Unattended Vehicles

Motor vehicles, trailers, semi-trailers, and combinations or parts of those objects that are abandoned, immobile or unattended on public and private property in Tennessee require the finder to follow this procedure to locate owners or sell unclaimed automobiles at auction. Private individuals are NOT allowed to go through the procedure for abandoned, immobile or unattended vehicles. As detailed in step one of this procedure, you must fill out this form, and mail it to the Department's Vehicle Services Division within three business days of taking the vehicle into custody.

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Old 12-02-2017, 02:52 PM   #16
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since this is at a shop.. mechanics lien might be a better way to go than abandoned..
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I'd just see if a hand written bill of sale would do it. I know it will in GA if it's 1985 or older.
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:44 PM   #18
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I'd just see if a hand written bill of sale would do it. I know it will in GA if it's 1985 or older.
do they do a search? what stops someone from forging a bill of sale for an old shell they see in someone;s yard (that the owner actually plans to do something with)..
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:24 PM   #19
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do they do a search? what stops someone from forging a bill of sale for an old shell they see in someone;s yard (that the owner actually plans to do something with)..
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As far as I am aware, the only search they do is to make sure the VIN isn't showing stolen. You make a good point though. It is for this reason GA changed the laws in the mid-90s (it used to be that any vehicle over a certain age didn't need a title, when the law took effect, it effectively made the title cutoff for all vehicles 1986 or newer).

I have no idea what they do if a vehicle is registered to a new owner, then the former owner realizes its gone and they report it stolen. I suspect it goes through the usual stolen vehicle routine, the new "owner" gets the vehicle confiscated (and likely arrested, unless they can demonstrate it was bought in good faith, then the cops go after the "seller").
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:47 PM   #20
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stolen vehicle handling TICKS ME OFF!! ive had 2 stolen.. both were customs.. one was a 1980 Oldsmobile Toronado sport coupe.. which was a rare car factory built with a 455 and full gauge package... the car was fiund TWICE and never recovered.. once, the cops wrote a parking tivket for it but never ran the plate or VIN.. I got the ticket in the mail... grrrr.. second time I found it on ebay... VIN was covered in listing... I went to look at it 3 hours away.. yep was my car... VIN tag changed but underneath it wasnt.. and some of my work which i had diagrams and pics of was just as i did it... came back with the cops to recover it.. the seller realized what was going on because the cops showed up in a CRUISER!!! he took off and the cops did a "Do not pursue"... and I never saw it again...

second one I just happen to notice in traffic... called the cops and followed it around... eventually they figured out they were being followed .. I passed 2 cruisers and told the dispatcher I was passing cruisers.. none were sent even though she said they were.. the car took off and I was told if I was caught chasing it i'd get a reckless op ticket.. really?.. not that i could catch it anyway it was an 11 second 1/4 mile street car. ..

here all cars have titles... not sure how far back they go.. but I know even cars from the 60s do..
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