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05-14-2019, 10:49 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: A bus
Posts: 104
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: Cummins 5.9 + Allison 3060
Rated Cap: Full size
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Rust check: how bad is this?
It's a 1990 bluebird. Yea or nay?
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05-14-2019, 11:09 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2006
Location: mid Mo.
Posts: 798
Year: 1976
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: F33695
Engine: 427 chevy converted to 466
Rated Cap: 84
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na doesn't look that bad, is that the worse of it? Floor? Rear wheel wells? sportyrick
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05-15-2019, 02:40 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Yeah, looks rather light to me as well.
I wonder the purpose is of the chains hanging down from the drive axle.
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05-15-2019, 06:14 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: A bus
Posts: 104
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: Cummins 5.9 + Allison 3060
Rated Cap: Full size
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The photo is of the wheel. Can you please show an example of what other areas to check?
The chains, I do not know either. I'll be getting the full tour tomorrow. This one has been heavily modified for powering burning man camps. I will be using it for another purpose, but appreciate some of the changes, like the hydraulic lift in the back.
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05-15-2019, 06:20 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,714
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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You're in Cali??
If so that's TOO MUCH RUST. There are amazing, solid buses out there. Don't settle, just get a nice one.
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05-15-2019, 06:28 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: A bus
Posts: 104
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: Cummins 5.9 + Allison 3060
Rated Cap: Full size
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
You're in Cali??
If so that's TOO MUCH RUST. There are amazing, solid buses out there. Don't settle, just get a nice one.
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Of this age? I like that it is mechanical
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05-15-2019, 06:30 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,714
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OlgaAK
Of this age? I like that it is mechanical
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My 92 was rust free from KY.
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05-15-2019, 06:33 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,714
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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How bout this AZ beauty with 5.9 12v and allison 643-
https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/au...ew?auc=2326870
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05-15-2019, 07:39 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Cuyahoga Falls Ohio
Posts: 592
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Startrans
Chassis: Ford e-350 single wheel
Engine: 5.4 litre
Rated Cap: 12
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Chains are traction devices. Chains deploy and spin under tires for heavy snow driving. Pretty common in the snowy areas that don't salt the roads. And NO that ain't rusty at all, They call that rust free from where I am located.
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05-15-2019, 07:39 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Claremont, NH
Posts: 470
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466E (195hp, 520tq)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
Yeah, looks rather light to me as well.
I wonder the purpose is of the chains hanging down from the drive axle.
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Automatic (air activated) chains for the rear wheels.
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Dave
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05-15-2019, 07:58 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Colebrook CT
Posts: 163
Year: 1989
Coachwork: MCI
Chassis: 96A3
Engine: 6V92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leadsled01
They call that rust free from where I am located.
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Haha, same here!
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05-15-2019, 08:01 AM
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#12
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,321
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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same here in Ohio... if it bothers you blast it off and ospho the underside of the bus then under-coat it and build away..
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05-15-2019, 10:33 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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I'd over look several faults if a bus I was considering had automatic chains - I anticipate a lot of cold weather driving, some of it on back roads that can get pretty clogged with snow
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05-15-2019, 10:55 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleddgracer
I'd over look several faults if a bus I was considering had automatic chains - I anticipate a lot of cold weather driving, some of it on back roads that can get pretty clogged with snow
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I have them on my bus. I had never seen them before so I did a little research.
What I heard from folks that have used them is that they are somewhat helpful in light snow. They were of the opinion that anything over 3"-4" of snow on the road and they became ineffective.
I will probably never find out.......
I am doing this for FUN.,... If there is 4" of snow on the road, I will be using the parking brake, not the auto chains.
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05-15-2019, 11:12 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I have them on my bus. I had never seen them before so I did a little research.
What I heard from folks that have used them is that they are somewhat helpful in light snow. They were of the opinion that anything over 3"-4" of snow on the road and they became ineffective.
I will probably never find out.......
I am doing this for FUN.,... If there is 4" of snow on the road, I will be using the parking brake, not the auto chains.
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snow = FUN!! - lol
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05-15-2019, 11:20 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleddgracer
snow = FUN!! - lol
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Naw....
83F on a Maui beach =Fun 
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05-15-2019, 11:31 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Naw....
83F on a Maui beach =Fun |
you can always put on a jacket when you're cold, but there are only so many clothes you can remove when it's hot 
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05-15-2019, 12:00 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Claremont, NH
Posts: 470
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466E (195hp, 520tq)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleddgracer
snow = FUN!! - lol
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Dave
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05-15-2019, 12:10 PM
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#19
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ermracing
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this is FUN!!
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05-15-2019, 12:28 PM
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#20
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,321
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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ill take the cadi in the snow... it has a HEATER!..
I am kind of bummed though, even after i turned up the engine on my redbyrd I still couldnt get it to do a donut..
-Christopher
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