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Old 07-18-2020, 08:42 PM   #1
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Are re-caps OK?

All of my tires are 10 to 15 years old, so I am shopping for new rubber. The guy at the tire store said he had re-caps for the drivers, and that they are all x-rayed and whatnot and do just fine. Sounds to me like a guy might still end up with 10 year old tires with new tread on. What is the common thinking on re-caps?
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:00 PM   #2
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The schools use recaps (Drive tires only) where i drive, in OHIO. For my school i don't know why, they see them cost half as much and they last half as long. same money per mile.

Most all tire companys will NOT cap a 10 year old casing. in fact in ohio our tires mush be 8 years old or less.

There is nothing inherently wrong with recaps. ask the dealer for the age of the tires. All tires have date codes. THey are easy to read.
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:16 PM   #3
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Recaps are fine for the back. *NEVER* on a steering axle (there may be some obscure exemption for yard trucks or some such).
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:27 PM   #4
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I would stay away from recaps considering the damage they could do to your bus if the tread does come off. Also unless you plan on putting alot of miles on your bus the sidewalls on your tires will get cracked and weather checked long before you wear the tread out. I would start with the freshest rubber you can get and then try to keep them out of the sun.

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Old 07-18-2020, 10:17 PM   #5
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Federal regulations prohibit recaps on the front or steering axel. They can be used on the rear or driving axel, but they cannot be weather checked more than an inch on any sidewall. The next time you are out on the open road, you will see the recap portion of the tires laying along the roadway. Recaps are good if you can find a reputable tire shop that inspects the used tire being recapped.
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Old 07-18-2020, 11:46 PM   #6
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The bus company I drive for uses recaps on the drive axles. I've been driving their buses for 6 years and have never had a blowout occur. Buses don't put anywhere near the same stress on tires that class 8 big rigs do.

Get a high quality recap like Bandag and you'll be fine. NEVER on the steers, but that goes without saying.
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Old 07-25-2020, 05:13 PM   #7
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Recap tires

I use recaps on my heavy trucks because I don't put many miles on them, I am always close to home, I never have critical freight where time is of the essence, if something goes wrong I can limp home or use my Jack and take the dual off right there. When you are running a schoolie rv the risk of something going wrong may ruin your day. A blowout can cause expensive damage to your bus, you could be stuck far away from home and not know who to call. My suggestion depends on your risk tolerance but I think the peace of mind knowing you got new tires that should last 100 k miles and likely more than most of us will ever put on our busses makes it worth the extra expense. I run recaps because my tires get destroyed before they ever wear out so cheap wins out. If you were going to use the bus as a tiny house that doesn't need to move very often then I might suggest retreads for the savings. A lot of retreads aren't even that much cheaper because the retreader wants a good casing to retread again and if yours are 10 years old they have no value to them. Retreads work well for over the road trucks where they put 200,000 miles a year on it so they can retread the same casings several times before they age out.
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Old 07-25-2020, 05:30 PM   #8
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Recaps if they're actually priced cheap. If they're the same price as new chinese I'd go chinese.
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Old 07-25-2020, 09:36 PM   #9
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Thank you all. Lots of valid points to consider.
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Old 07-25-2020, 10:57 PM   #10
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Federal regulations prohibit recaps on the front or steering axel. They can be used on the rear or driving axel, but they cannot be weather checked more than an inch on any sidewall. The next time you are out on the open road, you will see the recap portion of the tires laying along the roadway. Recaps are good if you can find a reputable tire shop that inspects the used tire being recapped.
federal regulations only prohibit recaps on steer axles of passenger carrying vehicles registered as buses or limos. they make recaps for steer axles of trucks. a lot of dump trucks will have them. still even tho its legal for trucks i wont run a casing that i dont know if it was cared for such as checking its pressure often
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Old 07-26-2020, 07:57 AM   #11
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New federal law says they are not allowed to recap tires over 5 years old, and those tire treads on the road come from new tires also, they come apart just like recaps if overheated
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Old 07-26-2020, 09:14 AM   #12
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Only rear drive. NEVER FRONTS
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Old 07-26-2020, 09:37 AM   #13
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dot law 393.75 for commercial trucks and buses states" no bus shall be operated with regrooved , recapped or retreaded tires on the front wheel" i still would avoid anywhere as i have too much damage that i would have to repair under it.. plus all the s*** on the road wont make many friends.
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Old 07-26-2020, 09:38 AM   #14
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that is commercial law so does a private rv or bus count there ?? i cant find anything on private stuff
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Old 07-26-2020, 11:32 AM   #15
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this law pertains to commercial use only 393.75 states "no bus shall be operated with regrooved,recapped or retreaded tires on the front wheel" now i dont know why retread and recapped is treated as different in the dot book. also i was in the truck repair business years ago and our shop manager told us to tell truckers to tell them it was illegal to run recaps on the steer as they did not want the liability back then as recap quality was not very good
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:28 PM   #16
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Don’t put Chinese on the steer axle either. They’re all still junk from there and your bus won’t handle as well as a reputable brand like Michelin, bf Goodrich, Goodyear, Yokohama etc... rear axle - who cares - Chinese or retread. I took some junk tires off the front of my old class A motorhome and it made a big difference.
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:13 PM   #17
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Wow my first post Hi all you awesome ppl!

On topic: I just put tires on my bus and did tons of research, as well as, asked my diesel mechanic and 2 OTR driver friends....

Heat is the worst enemy of tires.
If you must go recap they are not all equal. Go with Bandag quality.
Never on the steers.
If you lose a cap the bus will likely take some damage. Possibly more than a blowout might. And hits other cars more ccommonly.
Cover your tires when stationary for a while.

Some shops will have good takeoffs from time to time, most often ones that service dealers. But you have to ask.

I spent some hours calling bigger shops in my area for pricing 6 new and, if possible, 4 takeoffs/used tires for my drives.

Recaps were more costly anyhow with the local joint and the bigger shops near-ish me didn't sell them.

I got very lucky and found 4 good used Bridgestone high efficiency drives w/in a 45 min. drive for 175 ea. mounted and machine balanced (local shop uses beads). Plus 2 new steers of course

I personally feel better about 2yr old tires with more tread than I'll wear down before their DOT date expires than I do about recaps that were run down to the minimum before thier new life begins. But that's just my opinon.

With that said each and every recap tire is supposed be checked as opposed to only a ratio with new tires.

Also, my research led me to avoid chinese tires at all cost. However, it's not hard to sway me away from poorly made crap.

We don't push the weight of a semi but with heat being a tires biggest failure factor, a proper reputation of quality was most important to me. Blowouts can be scary and possibly worse.

Good luck 🍀 all the best!
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I would avoid recaps, and anything Chinese. Heat is a tires worst enemy, but please understand the source of that heat has little to do with the weather. The heat that destroys tires is generated from within. Low air pressure will cause the steel belts and side walls to flex far more than they were designed to. Similar to bending a coat hanger back and forth, over and over. The hanger will become hot, and eventually break. The belts of a tire will do the same, until it, zipper rips or throws the tread.
With the proper air pressure and checked daily, you will probably not have an issue with any tire.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:01 AM   #19
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I will add my 2 cents worth to this topic I’m a commercial truck have been for 30 years have driven construction dump trucks logging and over the was an owner operator so here I go this is my opinion I have had very good results with recaps but have always bought first time recaps and also always same brands never mixed up the brands they don’t react the same so keep it either Micheline or BF Goodrich yes maybe little more but you always get what you pay for make sure they are properly inflated keep track of they way they are wearing rotate when need and also like someone mentioned above stick with bandag in all my years I’ve always been able to wear them out and never never put recaps on the steering big no no hopefully this is helpful
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I will add my 2 cents worth to this topic Iím a commercial truck have been for 30 years have driven construction dump trucks logging and over the was an owner operator so here I go this is my opinion I have had very good results with recaps but have always bought first time recaps and also always same brands never mixed up the brands they donít react the same so keep it either Micheline or BF Goodrich yes maybe little more but you always get what you pay for make sure they are properly inflated keep track of they way they are wearing rotate when need and also like someone mentioned above stick with bandag in all my years Iíve always been able to wear them out and never never put recaps on the steering big no no hopefully this is helpful
yes good advice here even tho the recap quality is really good now im not sure of buying somebody's casing. did they sit long? did they keep the air checked? did it get curbed often? how many nail holes does it have that were patched???? another interesting note here bandag makes a steer axel recap
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