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03-31-2020, 08:47 AM
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#241
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,829
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Originally Posted by banman
That's more what I expected rather than a mini leaf like Native described.
Wonder how much lighter your 'short' chassis is compared to ours?
I drove over a curb yesterday and I did get a surprising amt of sway...
Of course, my shocks are probably junk...
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His is still a torque arm, its just a newer design. It's "better" until you have to replace the big bushings. The old style has standard size bushings available at most truck parts centers. The Hendrickson big bushings are a special item.
My rear air ride is the same as any length Thomas of the same vintage.
I'll go weigh mine next time I'm near the Cat scales. That will be a while though.
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03-31-2020, 12:56 PM
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#242
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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03-31-2020, 06:34 PM
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#243
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
His is still a torque arm, its just a newer design. It's "better" until you have to replace the big bushings. The old style has standard size bushings available at most truck parts centers. The Hendrickson big bushings are a special item.
My rear air ride is the same as any length Thomas of the same vintage.
I'll go weigh mine next time I'm near the Cat scales. That will be a while though.
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Yup,I just did not have the correct term. It looks like a single leaf spring cut in length.
You can see the big bushings on the left and right of the picture. The torque arm terminates a few inches past the air springs. You can see the four posts of the U-bolts that hold the air spring lower plate to the end of the torque arm.
I probably have a shot from the rear as well ... somewhere. I can always take one if you wantto see it.
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03-31-2020, 06:37 PM
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#244
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
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The top picture is so realistic, at first I thought it was a real picture of two buses! Bravo!
Yeah, the red bus does have that "angry tomato" face.
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03-31-2020, 06:41 PM
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#245
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
Yup,I just did not have the correct term. It looks like a single leaf spring cut in length.
Attachment 42710
You can see the big bushings on the left and right of the picture. The torque arm terminates a few inches past the air springs. You can see the four posts of the U-bolts that hold the air spring lower plate to the end of the torque arm.
I probably have a shot from the rear as well ... somewhere. I can always take one if you wantto see it.
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Marveling at how much room all the air tanks take up. How many air tanks do you have total?
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03-31-2020, 06:48 PM
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#246
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by banman
Marveling at how much room all the air tanks take up. How many air tanks do you have total?
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Three tanks. They do take up a lot of room. That is yet another consideration for/against a compressor.
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03-31-2020, 06:53 PM
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#247
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
Three tanks. They do take up a lot of room. That is yet another consideration for/against a compressor.
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Well, yours also supply the brakes, so I'm sure a level of redundancy is desired.
I could happily get by with one tank, and a small one at that.
And then I thought -- Ooh! Water pressure systems could be nice. On board fire suppression, as well as pressure washer systems to dream the whiles away...
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03-31-2020, 10:07 PM
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#248
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,829
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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The compressor on the 3126 is a total PITA. I'd not add one if I didn't have one.
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04-01-2020, 11:00 AM
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#249
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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OMG! I've come up with a brilliant solution to being stuck in traffic.
... may be slightly illegal to try IRL though
......... may also wreck your bus
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04-01-2020, 11:31 AM
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#250
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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....but that cowcatcher might improve your fuel mileage via aerodynamics.
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04-01-2020, 12:12 PM
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#251
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Also is it just me, or does this bus look like it has eyes and teeth once you take off the grille
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Looks like one of those cannibalistic Cinnamon Toast Crunchies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
Hmm, two tone looks pretty good on a school bus. I'm just having fun painting now
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Just curious ( and let me preface by stating I know nothing about software or hardware development, but you are obviously skilled enough to answer)....
Over my years on this site, I've seen lots of people looking for a place to 'virtually' paint their bus. Is that something that can be created with a minimum of time and bother?
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04-01-2020, 12:23 PM
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#252
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,829
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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would love to see some paint ideas on a mockup of my bus.
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04-01-2020, 05:40 PM
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#253
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plfking
Looks like one of those cannibalistic Cinnamon Toast Crunchies.
Just curious ( and let me preface by stating I know nothing about software or hardware development, but you are obviously skilled enough to answer)....
Over my years on this site, I've seen lots of people looking for a place to 'virtually' paint their bus. Is that something that can be created with a minimum of time and bother?
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We also stuggled through the "how would it look if we ..." scenarios. I even purchased a model school bus at a model train store near us. I added the roof hatches and painted the roof white so it looks like our bus when we purchased it. It even has the same number of windows!
The plan was to paint it as needed to come up with a color scheme. Well, that never did happen and it is still painted like a normal school bus.
So, a program that lets you paint your bus on the computer would be a wonderful thing!
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04-01-2020, 06:02 PM
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#254
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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I do have lots of experience programming in the Unity game engine. I looked around for integrations that would allow painting on to a model, but the best looking one is somewhere around $40!! Not much around in the realm of free integrations for that.
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04-01-2020, 06:08 PM
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#255
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
I do have lots of experience programming in the Unity game engine. I looked around for integrations that would allow painting on to a model, but the best looking one is somewhere around $40!! Not much around in the realm of free integrations for that.
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Since you've already built the model -- how easy is it for you to change color schemes on your Beam NG bus?
I'm sure folks would be happy to make a donation in exchange for a mock-up of their bus...
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04-01-2020, 06:17 PM
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#256
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Quote:
Originally Posted by banman
Since you've already built the model -- how easy is it for you to change color schemes on your Beam NG bus?
I'm sure folks would be happy to make a donation in exchange for a mock-up of their bus...
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In BeamNG you need to have some knowledge of photo editing programs, and edit some syntax with the materials / 'game definition' files
For two tone paintjobs it gets a bit more complex but that's the gist of it for simple paintjobs like that.
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04-03-2020, 02:11 PM
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#257
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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I've been working some more on options
I wonder, has anyone seen white wheels on a bus before? I swear I've seen it before.
Also added body colored, and chrome wheels as options too.
Going to add a derby bumper in the future
Though I don't really have an idea for a derby paintjob. Maybe I can steal banmans ;)
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04-03-2020, 03:23 PM
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#258
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
I wonder, has anyone seen white wheels on a bus before? I swear I've seen it before.
Also added body colored, and chrome wheels as options too.
Going to add a derby bumper in the future
Though I don't really have an idea for a derby paintjob. Maybe I can steal banmans ;)
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For sure I've seen white wheels before.
I'd be amused and honored if you wanna use the Murder Bus pix as a derby template (or anything else...)
If you'd like the before pix of 50 shades of neon penis' I'll see if I can't get them sent to me -- the flat black was to cover the "crime scene"
No clear idea yet what I'll do if/when I get around to painting it beyond the boring but necessary white top to help deflect the heat...
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04-04-2020, 05:24 PM
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#259
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Are the batteries in the side battery box just standard car batteries?
& What are the dimensions of them?
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04-04-2020, 05:43 PM
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#260
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
Are the batteries in the side battery box just standard car batteries?
& What are the dimensions of them?
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Mine are a pair of group 31 batteries. Standard truck batteries...
"Physical dimensions of BCI Group 31 batteries are approximately 13 x 6 13/16 x 9 7/16 inches (~13 x 6.8 x 9.44 inches, 330 x 173 x 240 mm), and they weigh anywhere from just under 30 pounds (lithium batteries) to almost 80 pounds (lead-acid batteries)."
There's easily room for 3 of these batteries. I think 2 was the usual configuration.
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