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Old 09-29-2019, 03:19 AM   #21
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I found an old shot of the windshield showing the wipers:


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Old 09-29-2019, 09:19 PM   #22
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Is the front bumper attach only attached to that front subframe (I'm guessing there's a small subframe from the pictures I've seen) ?

If so then I have made the front bumper on my model incorrectly as well

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Once that's done, the only detail I'm still a bit confused about is how the wiring/tubing under the hood is routed. After that I think I can finally complete this
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:15 PM   #23
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Is the front bumper attach only attached to that front subframe (I'm guessing there's a small subframe from the pictures I've seen) ?

If so then I have made the front bumper on my model incorrectly as well

The picture of the tow hook from the bottom shows the attach point for the front bumper. The bumper and the tow hook are both attached to the frame rail which runs the entire length of the bus.



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Once that's done, the only detail I'm still a bit confused about is how the wiring/tubing under the hood is routed. After that I think I can finally complete this

Here are the engine firewall wiring photos:


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You have a few other things to consider. I took many photos of the underside of the bus. These are to follow in separate posts.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:36 PM   #24
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Here is the driveline. Earlier I said it was a three part drive, it is actually a four part drive.


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Old 09-29-2019, 11:52 PM   #25
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Here are the compressed air components:
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Old 09-30-2019, 12:08 AM   #26
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... and the fuel tank cage:


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Old 09-30-2019, 12:28 AM   #27
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One last set ... the exhaust routing and suspension:


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Old 09-30-2019, 03:56 AM   #28
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Once again fantastic references

Does this look about right?


I've also decided that for the purpose of this mod, modeling this single wiring bundle should fill in the visuals enough. Anything else would probably be excessive and not even compatible between different engine setups. Sorry if I'm asking something that is already answered in the above pictures, I don't see it if so

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Old 09-30-2019, 04:17 AM   #29
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Once again fantastic references

Does this look about right?


I've also decided that for the purpose of this mod, modeling this single wiring bundle should fill in the visuals enough. Anything else would probably be excessive and not even compatible between different engine setups. Sorry if I'm asking something that is already answered in the above pictures, I don't see it if so


The bushings are a lot closer to the yokes at the divisions of the driveshaft.


As for the outlines "wires" , those are the pneumatic lines that lead into the cab area. They come into the cab to the left of the steering wheel at the driver's knee. They power/control the pneumatic devices such as the doors, stop sign, and "kiddy" bar.
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Old 09-30-2019, 03:22 PM   #30
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Ah whoops, it's totally visible in the picture too

One more thing that I totally forgot about. I'm missing a hood latch at the moment and can't find any top down photos of it. Once that's out of the way I think this is about done
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:11 AM   #31
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:34 AM   #32
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Was not expecting a shape like that. Spent hours remodeling that entire area on my model :P

I'm guessing the hood seat piece can be removed? Looks like it based on what I've seen so far.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:48 AM   #33
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Was not expecting a shape like that. Spent hours remodeling that entire area on my model :P

I'm guessing the hood seat piece can be removed? Looks like it based on what I've seen so far.

Sorry for the extra work!


Yes, there are three bolts that you can see and another set on the other side of the "seat". They are really only a seat. The hood is held down by the rubber clamps. The metal cylinder on the hood sit inside the seats and the clamps hold it all together.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:01 AM   #34
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You doubt anyone will?
but it is accessible to the ones that could and would to learn how to through a freaking video game that is stuck out there for anyone with a computer to learn how to destroy a bus.
SORRY
I was a MARINE and have had to deal/worry with some of that mess.
These busses carry our countries NATIONAL TREASURE.
OUR CHILDREN are OUR NATIONAL TREASURE.
We as adults are responsible for raising them.
As far as how to destroy your fs65 model you can google NHTSA crash bulletins most buses are built where the body seperates from the chassis in a big crash or rollover
Damn near anything can be perverted for evil purposes. Some things more than others, and it's often tough to find the boundary between realistic concern and the slippery-slope fallacy.

Back on topic, I see some practical usefulness to demonstrate why skoolies are better than stix-n-staples RVs.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:02 PM   #35
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Back on topic, I see some practical usefulness to demonstrate why skoolies are better than stix-n-staples RVs.
That's one way to look at it I guess :P There is an RV (mod) and a camper trailer in BeamNG which can be broken to bits, quite easily.

@Native, sorry for asking so much of you but I have one more thing.
I'd like to see how the bit behind the wheel is shaped, I haven't been able to get a good glimpse of it in pics/vids
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:43 PM   #36
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@Native, sorry for asking so much of you but I have one more thing.
I'd like to see how the bit behind the wheel is shaped, I haven't been able to get a good glimpse of it in pics/vids
No problem at all. In my younger years, I modeled electrical circuits for testing. I understand the need for specifics.


I am not sure exactly what you are needing. I am assuming you want an idea of how the wheel connects to the axle along with the shocks, etc. I think I have such a photo. Give me a few minutes to dredge this up.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:04 PM   #37
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Here are a couple pictures of the driver side front suspension:


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Let me know the actual details you need and I will snap a few for you.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:40 PM   #38
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My bad, should've been more specific

I'm looking to get the wheelwell shape correct. As you can see mine is somewhat accurate but still fairly wrong.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:49 PM   #39
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My bad, should've been more specific

I'm looking to get the wheelwell shape correct. As you can see mine is somewhat accurate but still fairly wrong.

Ah, okay. I will get them tomorrow due to lighting.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:17 PM   #40
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Okay, here are a couple of each side:


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