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10-22-2019, 07:36 AM
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#101
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Originally Posted by Native
Oh how fun!
For authenticity sake, the hood in the model was shown as metal. The hoods are fiberglass and will "tear", not bend.
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The one thing BeamNG can't do is tearing so I have to settle for some bending + parts of the model disappearing instead.
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10-22-2019, 08:31 AM
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#102
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
The one thing BeamNG can't do is tearing so I have to settle for some bending + parts of the model disappearing instead.
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The fiberglass will also crack/bend like windshield glass -- if that's a parameter you could work with -- 'super duty' windshield glass...
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10-22-2019, 01:27 PM
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#103
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Quote:
Originally Posted by banman
The fiberglass will also crack/bend like windshield glass -- if that's a parameter you could work with -- 'super duty' windshield glass...
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Oh yeah, all the windows will be breakable. Right now my windshield physics model has no bolting and it just falls right off, so I'm driving without it until that's fixed 
By the way, do you or Native happend to know your empty weights? I've only found one person mentioning empty weight for a "Thomas Freightliner 71pax" by searching around and theirs was 18,000. Would just like to be sure to get mine right in the game 
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10-23-2019, 04:09 AM
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#104
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
Oh yeah, all the windows will be breakable. Right now my windshield physics model has no bolting and it just falls right off, so I'm driving without it until that's fixed
By the way, do you or Native happend to know your empty weights? I've only found one person mentioning empty weight for a "Thomas Freightliner 71pax" by searching around and theirs was 18,000. Would just like to be sure to get mine right in the game |
Mine had "17500" stenciled on the side. That would be the empty weight (17500 pounds) with seats installed. With all of the seats and subfloor removed (and the back heater) it weighed in at 16968 pounds (as I recall ... I just call it 17000 pounds)
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10-23-2019, 11:20 AM
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#105
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Sweet, I've got some weight to play with then
In BeamNG more weight means you can make things more stable/rigid. My bus is currently underweight and that's actually a good thing.
Also, is the exhaust split into multiple sections? I'm looking back at the pictures, looks like it may be quite segmented.
(Also, a more fun method of destruction https://youtu.be/0ymmVm-o-RA)
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10-24-2019, 03:09 AM
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#106
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
Sweet, I've got some weight to play with then
In BeamNG more weight means you can make things more stable/rigid. My bus is currently underweight and that's actually a good thing.
Also, is the exhaust split into multiple sections? I'm looking back at the pictures, looks like it may be quite segmented.
(Also, a more fun method of destruction https://youtu.be/0ymmVm-o-RA) |
The exhaust is most likely done in sections with band clamps holding them together. Thhat is how I built our exhaust system. I did need to do a little welding of pipe to hold the heavily bent sections together ... like the one arounf the axle. I also welded a few patches in the S-pipe that leads directly off of the turbo down under he bus as we had a few holes in that pipe and a new one was WAY to expensive for what it is. I have photos, if needed let me know.
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10-24-2019, 03:14 AM
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#107
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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LOL!!! I do not think our bus would even make it up that ramp, let alone launch itself off of it!
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10-25-2019, 05:57 PM
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#108
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Here's a weird question. Would you know how much the fender extension weighs? I've seen anything from 8lb to 75lb online :/
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10-25-2019, 06:29 PM
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#109
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
LOL!!! I do not think our bus would even make it up that ramp, let alone launch itself off of it!
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10-26-2019, 12:03 AM
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#110
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
Here's a weird question. Would you know how much the fender extension weighs? I've seen anything from 8lb to 75lb online :/
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I do not. I am not sure what a fender extension is anyway. About the only fenders we have on our bus is the two front "fenders" that are part of the hood.
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10-26-2019, 12:48 AM
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#111
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
I do not. I am not sure what a fender extension is anyway. About the only fenders we have on our bus is the two front "fenders" that are part of the hood.
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The fender extension is what it seems the hood seat part is called.
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10-26-2019, 01:03 AM
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#112
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
The fender extension is what it seems the hood seat part is called.
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Ya learn something every day1
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10-26-2019, 01:05 AM
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#113
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Okay, what I was calling the hood seat being the fender extension ... then I would think 8 pounds is closer to the weight (rather than 75).
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10-26-2019, 09:09 AM
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#114
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
Mine had "17500" stenciled on the side. That would be the empty weight (17500 pounds) with seats installed. With all of the seats and subfloor removed (and the back heater) it weighed in at 16968 pounds (as I recall ... I just call it 17000 pounds)
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Holy sh!t. I'll have to find my data plate -- I had no idea it was that heavy...
I gave VT a swag of 14,500. opps!
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12-06-2019, 05:30 PM
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#115
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Hey again. I took a break for a while on the physics side of things, but started to work on it again.
Now comes the real fun in BeamNG, throwing this down a cliff ;)
The body should probably seperate a bit easier, and something is breaking that shouldn't, causing the spikes. But otherwise it's going pretty good!
As a bonus, here's a suspension view. Shows why everything needs to be modeled.
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12-06-2019, 06:25 PM
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#116
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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So much awesome!
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12-06-2019, 09:21 PM
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#117
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Please tell me where that clliff is located so I can avoid it on my travels!
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12-06-2019, 10:44 PM
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#118
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Oh right, I do have a question!
What kind of diffs are on these buses? I currently have an open diff setup on the BeamNG model but it's so easy to get stuck
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12-08-2019, 09:37 PM
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#119
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dummiesman
Oh right, I do have a question!
What kind of diffs are on these buses? I currently have an open diff setup on the BeamNG model but it's so easy to get stuck
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Our bus has a Meritor rear end with 557:1 gears. I do not believe it is locking. As for getting stuck, a lot of that depends on the road surface and the tire tread.
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12-08-2019, 09:52 PM
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#120
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Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 192
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Do you know if it's open or limited slip? I did a bunch of searching this morning and didn't find anything on that, though I did see a sort of cutaway and it looked like limited slip.
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