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Old 03-25-2020, 08:23 AM   #141
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Is the national guard already in NYC? Curious how they are going to handle the situation when masses of people are leaving the city.... not to mention if they get kinks in their locale infrastructure. A friend of mine who owns a gun store in philly said that he was sold out just before they closed down.


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Old 03-25-2020, 09:15 AM   #142
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Is the national guard already in NYC? Curious how they are going to handle the situation when masses of people are leaving the city.... not to mention if they get kinks in their locale infrastructure. A friend of mine who owns a gun store in philly said that he was sold out just before they closed down.


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Of course they are present. They are disinfecting public areas, bringing food to the elderly, and helping construct new hospitals. What they are NOT doing is enforcing law and order.

Contrary to popular belief, there are far more police in this country than National Guard. Even if they were fully mobilized, they couldn't flood all the streets in the country. The image of Soldiers carrying rifles on Main Street would likely lead to more panic. Outside of a major riots and looting, I don't think many want the military enforcing public order.

The National Guard is excellent at logistic operations, establishing communication, coordinating efforts across multiple government agencies, and providing disciplined unskilled labor to fill sandbags, distributing food and water, etc. Specialized units can also do construction, search and rescue, chemical/nuclear response and various other emergency tasks. While the National Guard does have a lot of medical capabilities, most of their medical personnel work in civilian hospitals.
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Of course they are present. They are disinfecting public areas, bringing food to the elderly, and helping construct new hospitals. What they are NOT doing is enforcing law and order.

Contrary to popular belief, there are far more police in this country than National Guard. Even if they were fully mobilized, they couldn't flood all the streets in the country. The image of Soldiers carrying rifles on Main Street would likely lead to more panic. Outside of a major riots and looting, I don't think many want the military enforcing public order.

The National Guard is excellent at logistic operations, establishing communication, coordinating efforts across multiple government agencies, and providing disciplined unskilled labor to fill sandbags, distributing food and water, etc. Specialized units can also do construction, search and rescue, chemical/nuclear response and various other emergency tasks. While the National Guard does have a lot of medical capabilities, most of their medical personnel work in civilian hospitals.
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Interesting you mention it is just a spiritual journey in a human body. Not many think that way. I do agree with you on this.[/QUOTE]


Thanks Ronnie, not sure of any proof of this myself, but what else can it be about?

Reading your fine posts, we agree or think a lot alike on most everything, lol


Anyway, stay safe there


Check out lockdown in India, gone silent.


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It only went into effect yesterday, so maybe a bit early to say "gone silent". I am thinking the world is watching to see how the India shutdown works out.
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Left Houston in the bus a week ago Monday, they shut down as we left, went to Austin to see my aunt and uncle, left Tuesday they closed down Austin as we left. That night we stayed at the nicest RV park in TX and yes there were people staying there to stay out of Dallas for all the Covid19 reasons. Stopped in Arkansas Wednesday in the bus and stayed at a National Park on the Buffalo River, camping fees were suspended and there was only one other camper in the whole park, temperature was 81 and no bugs yet except May flies, ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. National parks are free for now i guess. Yes our bodies are temporary vessels that succumb to all sorts of death scenarios but our spirits go on forever.
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Amazon warehouse workers are getting sick, that means UPS warehouse workers and FedEx ware house workers are getting sick also....BAD NEWS!



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Wake me up someone please!!!
If one is boondocking on public land can one state that one doesn’t have anywhere else to go? And then “shelter in place”? Or is that a bad idea? I need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes.
I’m half a mile from Interstate 5. I can still hear the roar. And coyotes yipping from the other direction.
At least we won’t need our heaters much longer.
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Wake me up someone please!!!
If one is boondocking on public land can one state that one doesn’t have anywhere else to go? And then “shelter in place”? Or is that a bad idea? I need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes.
I’m half a mile from Interstate 5. I can still hear the roar. And coyotes yipping from the other direction.
At least we won’t need our heaters much longer.
I'm pretty sure that in the coming weeks a boondocker camping by themselves on public land will be the least of the authorities worries. I'd move closer to the coyotes.

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Wake me up someone please!!!
If one is boondocking on public land can one state that one doesn’t have anywhere else to go? And then “shelter in place”? Or is that a bad idea? I need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes.
I’m half a mile from Interstate 5. I can still hear the roar. And coyotes yipping from the other direction.
At least we won’t need our heaters much longer.
I have always thought it strange that camping area are getting closed when we all want to socially distance. I always thought there was a lot of space with limited social interaction out in the national parks. Am I missing our invitation to the big parties or something?
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:17 PM   #153
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My wife just read this to me ... it was a FaceBook mime:




"The virus does not move. People move it.
We stop moving, the virus stops moving,
The virus dies.


It is that simple."




Something to ponder.
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Old 03-26-2020, 11:39 AM   #154
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"The virus does not move. People move it.
We stop moving, the virus stops moving,
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It is that simple."




Something to ponder.
Absolutely!

We don't have a big problem in the county I live in but we are at a point where that could change quickly. We have our best chance of staying healthy is to stay at home and minimize face to face contact.

I got some grief for cancelling my physical therapy appointments at the hospital. Do I really want to go to a place full of sick people and have a stranger put their hands on my body? It is "probably" safe but I would rather not take any chances.
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On that note I'm giving blood today at a local Red Cross blood bank.

Due to the situation MANY blood drives have been canceled and the blood supply is low. Blood donation centers are very clean places by nature but they are taking extra measures to make it safe for you to donate -- taking everyone's temperature at the door and spacing everybody out.

This is one of the easiest and most meaningful ways to help each other out.

Out here, the Red Cross is only taking reservations (No walk-ins) and they're booked out two weeks.
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Old 03-26-2020, 12:25 PM   #156
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there was some validity back long long ago when the test for HIV was a complicated involved process to get results for.. but these days the test is instant.. they draw blood and in 5 minutes you know the answer.. so in effect blood banks could double as HIV testing centers for the community and in turn would gain LOTS more donations as a result..

They take three vials for testing with each pint. They already test the donations for more than just HIV (e.g. Hepatitis types and others). I agree that maintaining old non-medical bans is stupid, but apparently our blood shortage isn't bad enough for them to re-visit those.


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Wake me up someone please!!!
If one is boondocking on public land can one state that one doesn’t have anywhere else to go? And then “shelter in place”? Or is that a bad idea? I need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes.
I’m half a mile from Interstate 5. I can still hear the roar. And coyotes yipping from the other direction.
At least we won’t need our heaters much longer.
Yeah, man, we've got the same thing going on. We're sheltered-in-place on BLM land in the middle of Nevada right now and intend to stay that way. We go into town for groceries and water....but that's just about it. Barring some situation where they close down all public lands and interstate travel and force us into a FEMA camp, we should be able to ride it out. I know they've closed some BLM lands near Moab because they don't want the local hospitals being overwhelmed with non locals, and I think Gunnison County in CO has closed admittance to the county for non-residents. Hopefully those attitudes will be outliers and not the norm. We've got a line on a place in New England if things get desperate and we need to hunker down but we'd really rather not make the trip unless necessary.


As far as I know, the shelter-in-place rules aren't being enforced by the police...yet...not even in New York or California.
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I have always thought it strange that camping area are getting closed when we all want to socially distance. I always thought there was a lot of space with limited social interaction out in the national parks. Am I missing our invitation to the big parties or something?

No rangers or camp-hosts to clean up after the people who never learned or don't care. Maybe a lack of PPE for them. Some of those may get re-activated, but I'm not seeing much yet declaring them "essential". PPE shortage will take weeks to resolve (hospitals and clinics are rightly taking it all right now).



Here in Utah, several campgrounds have been closed. Other places are still open, but any visitor center or public building has been closed.


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Old 03-26-2020, 03:23 PM   #159
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They take three vials for testing with each pint. They already test the donations for more than just HIV (e.g. Hepatitis types and others). I agree that maintaining old non-medical bans is stupid, but apparently our blood shortage isn't bad enough for them to re-visit those.


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The Red Cross opposes the ban on gay blood donations. It is a result of an FDA rule - petition the feds if you want to change it. The head of the FDA is appointed by the president with the consent of the Senate.

The justification is this:
1. Gay men statistically have more partners and male-on-male sex results in a higher rate of transference of STDs. (This used to be true, but condoms are prevalent now, so I don't know what recent statistics would show.)
2. While blood screenings will catch diseases like HIV in their advanced stages, they won't detect early-stage HIV, etc. However, early-stage disease can be transmitted via blood transfusion.

I don't know how good the science is behind the argument, but the current ban seems clumsy at the least, and it has the appearance of being a result of hatred.

Interestingly, in past blood shortages, we've had tons of banned populations (gay men, servicemembers who lived in Europe during mad cow, etc.) try to donate and get turned away. When blood got short, we imported it from those same European countries, all of which allowed gay people to donate...
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Fort Benning - shelter in place. We're no longer allowed to go off post except for health care and a few other reasons.
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