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EastCoastCB · 04-25-2020, 07:12 PM

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It is good to see you have been able to restart your lawn maintenance business a little. Keep at it!!!

I'm mowing one old lady for free. She's having real hard times but she's hanging on alone at home.
And then there are a couple I've not mowed since all this started. But we've had little growth other than some weeds here and there.
Looking to just mow a few here and there and find something new to do. I think this will actually open some new opportunities.
May sell a few things and just sit here for a while lol.

They are asking FL residents to send comments on opening the state up. I sent this-
As a 4th generation Floridian I would like to express my most sincere concern at the prospect of "opening up" the state too quickly. What we need right now the most is strong and calculated leadership.
I think that most us are fed up with this being treated as a partisan issue. People in Florida as well as around the country are scared. A good many of us have watched how other countries and areas have handled this crisis and it seems like the response here is very poor so far. The public aren't just going to pretend that this virus isn't dangerous and still spreading with no real end in sight.
Please- put the lives of Floridians and other Americans before anything else. This is the kind of time when we are all supposed to work together for the greater good. I don't see a whole lot of that yet. Lets work as hard as possible on getting more testing. We need that right now not in weeks. Antibody testing and tracking is crucial.
We're going to have a very hard time containing this deadly virus without REAL social distancing, which I'm not seeing anywhere in my community.
Its not too late to start taking this seriously. Lets organize and get a real plan and lets work together to get this contained and move on with business in the Sunshine State.

Jolly Roger bus 223 · 04-25-2020, 07:18 PM

i know this aint the right thread but i know it is?
if the american people get off of there ass and quit using the computer as a reason for not getting out of the house?
yes at this time face coverings are required.
could be a mask or could be a cloth face covering as mandated by the miltary bases i work on and already supplied to the active military for face coverings?
there is nothing politiical about this the virus doesnt care?
i am still working and so are the bases?
maintain your 6 foot distancing and wear a face covering when you cannot?
no politics in that?
if you dont know what 6 feet looks like then pull your tape measure out and try to walk around with it stuck out at 6 feet? see what you run into?
that will give allot different perspective to 6 feet dinstancing and wearing a face covering?
cut the sleeve off of an old shirt and pull it over your head there you go? face covering

EastCoastCB · 04-25-2020, 07:25 PM

Yeah I think a healthy public outcry for real social distancing is inevitable. Its just common sense regardless of what our leaders say.
The computer isn't the reason people are staying home. Social responsibility, fear- there are many reasons folks are staying in.
Not at all saying close all business and lets just quit, but at least in most of FL there's not a lot of effort by folks just yet. Maybe when it hits closer to home folks will get a bit more serious about stopping the spread.

annnnd- at least the protesters here are just hurling insults at hospital staff. In parts of Central America healthcare workers are being attacked by people that think covid was invented by the hospitals and spread by the nurses and doctors.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21X2WL

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...covid-19-fears

Native · 04-25-2020, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

I'm mowing one old lady for free. She's having real hard times but she's hanging on alone at home.
And then there are a couple I've not mowed since all this started. But we've had little growth other than some weeds here and there.
Looking to just mow a few here and there and find something new to do. I think this will actually open some new opportunities.
May sell a few things and just sit here for a while lol.

They are asking FL residents to send comments on opening the state up. I sent this-
As a 4th generation Floridian I would like to express my most sincere concern at the prospect of "opening up" the state too quickly. What we need right now the most is strong and calculated leadership.
I think that most us are fed up with this being treated as a partisan issue. People in Florida as well as around the country are scared. A good many of us have watched how other countries and areas have handled this crisis and it seems like the response here is very poor so far. The public aren't just going to pretend that this virus isn't dangerous and still spreading with no real end in sight.
Please- put the lives of Floridians and other Americans before anything else. This is the kind of time when we are all supposed to work together for the greater good. I don't see a whole lot of that yet. Lets work as hard as possible on getting more testing. We need that right now not in weeks. Antibody testing and tracking is crucial.
We're going to have a very hard time containing this deadly virus without REAL social distancing, which I'm not seeing anywhere in my community.
Its not too late to start taking this seriously. Lets organize and get a real plan and lets work together to get this contained and move on with business in the Sunshine State.

You go Charlie!

You are getting out and about helping as you can! You are also voicing your concerns within your community. Again, you go Charlie!

EastCoastCB · 04-26-2020, 10:54 AM

Thanks, Sam.

The new push by a lot of folks is to do away with PPE and social distancing and TRY to get this virus. The herd immunity. Problem is herd immunity isn't guaranteed. It usually involves a vaccine and the vast majority of a population having immunity. like 80% or more. Even if we want to go that route it involves aggressive widespread testing and tracking which we are sorely lacking.
Seems folks are looking for anything they can think of now to ignore this virus. The same people who were saying there was no virus are the same ones now preaching the herd immunity. Its sort of entertaining watching this subset of the population but sadly it does end up affecting all of us when they go out of their way to do things that spread it.
Like- this isn't even about closing businesses at all- I'm talking about using common sense and listening to medical proffessionals warnings. Using PPE and social distancing. They want things to go back to the way they were last year and right NOW. Yeah- we ALL do. But I'm not willing to sacrifice my mom- or someone else's, to make that happen.

cadillackid · 04-26-2020, 12:55 PM

I haven’t seen any evidence of such a movement . Herd immunity is of course talked about as more and more evidence is that more people had it than originally thought .. however nowhere to herd status and of course as you say no one knows if there is immunity or not. Chances are there is because of similar viruses and other corona viruses but not known yet..

There are those who won’t wear masks in public, in fact very few do even though we are supposed to. Employers here in Ohio are good about providing masks to employees but customers definitely are not complying well.

I’ve not yet seen anyone trying to purposely catch it to create herd immunity..

EastCoastCB · 04-26-2020, 01:06 PM

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I haven’t seen any evidence of such a movement . Herd immunity is of course talked about as more and more evidence is that more people had it than originally thought .. however nowhere to herd status and of course as you say no one knows if there is immunity or not. Chances are there is because of similar viruses and other corona viruses but not known yet..

There are those who won’t wear masks in public, in fact very few do even though we are supposed to. Employers here in Ohio are good about providing masks to employees but customers definitely are not complying well.

I’ve not yet seen anyone trying to purposely catch it to create herd immunity..

https://time.com/5825386/herd-immuni...irus-covid-19/

Danjo · 04-26-2020, 01:25 PM

I heard this documentary on the 1918 Flu on KUT yesterday. It’s worth a listen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cswdhh

cadillackid · 04-26-2020, 01:45 PM

House parties are def an issue here .. people have figured out a way to use a “burner” account and payment , rent and air BmB and then have a party.. a big one. I hadn’t heard of them being infection parties although they may be what you describe ..

Usually the cops get called the radio call goes out and a person with a real police scanner (not online) notifies the party goers and they scatter before the cops can catch them.. and even if they did the only charges they could levy would be a ticket for violating a stay at home order for attending a gathering of more than 10 people..

Apparently some hotel owners need money so bad “house parties” are being held at otherwise closed hotels.. people scatter their cars, walk to the property where they are let in , doors are otherwise locked and the party goes on in the ballroom area where the music can be loud and the crowd large..

The rave scene coming back in a way.. the cops have a hard time catching and shutting those down.. just like the hidden rave scene of the 90s.. with so many empty buildings and cash strapped people the party scene is prob infecting many more people than those of us that go get our morning Latte ..

I’m guessing that’s where drug culture is going too.. the sheriff here said street drug culture has dropped off significantly .. they can’t hide in non existent crowds at bars and cities ..

Thus likely the raves..

Too bad raving is dangerous these days because I had so much fun dancing my ass off till dawn and spinning the dreamiest tramciest techno I could write and mix back in the rave days.. 4 technics 1200s a pair of demon CD9s , pioneer 16 channel mixer, a clunky thinkpad laptop and damn!!

banman · 04-26-2020, 02:25 PM

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Too bad raving is dangerous these days because I had so much fun dancing my ass off till dawn and spinning the dreamiest tramciest techno I could write and mix back in the rave days.. 4 technics 1200s a pair of demon CD9s , pioneer 16 channel mixer, a clunky thinkpad laptop and damn!!

That visual makes me smile...

EastCoastCB · 04-26-2020, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cadillackid

House parties are def an issue here .. people have figured out a way to use a “burner” account and payment , rent and air BmB and then have a party.. a big one. I hadn’t heard of them being infection parties although they may be what you describe ..

Usually the cops get called the radio call goes out and a person with a real police scanner (not online) notifies the party goers and they scatter before the cops can catch them.. and even if they did the only charges they could levy would be a ticket for violating a stay at home order for attending a gathering of more than 10 people..

Apparently some hotel owners need money so bad “house parties” are being held at otherwise closed hotels.. people scatter their cars, walk to the property where they are let in , doors are otherwise locked and the party goes on in the ballroom area where the music can be loud and the crowd large..

The rave scene coming back in a way.. the cops have a hard time catching and shutting those down.. just like the hidden rave scene of the 90s.. with so many empty buildings and cash strapped people the party scene is prob infecting many more people than those of us that go get our morning Latte ..

I’m guessing that’s where drug culture is going too.. the sheriff here said street drug culture has dropped off significantly .. they can’t hide in non existent crowds at bars and cities ..

Thus likely the raves..

Too bad raving is dangerous these days because I had so much fun dancing my ass off till dawn and spinning the dreamiest tramciest techno I could write and mix back in the rave days.. 4 technics 1200s a pair of demon CD9s , pioneer 16 channel mixer, a clunky thinkpad laptop and damn!!

I don't at all think there are widespread corona parties. People keep suggesting it in various outlets though. Lets hope not!

BarnYardCamp · 04-26-2020, 04:54 PM

"Herd Immunity"
But no one wants it to start in their part of the herd...
Maybe we can file this right next to Darwin-ism...

Danjo · 04-26-2020, 05:10 PM

People risking themselves and potentially clogging hospitals doesn’t do us any good.

There’s a COVID19 program on Netflix that was very informative. One of the things discussed was immunity. So far no one knows if there is lasting acquired immunity from getting the virus.

EastCoastCB · 04-26-2020, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BarnYardCamp

"Herd Immunity"
But no one wants it to start in their part of the herd...
Maybe we can file this right next to Darwin-ism...

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Originally Posted by Danjo

People risking themselves and potentially clogging hospitals doesn’t do us any good.

There’s a COVID19 program on Netflix that was very informative. One of the things discussed was immunity. So far no one knows if there is lasting acquired immunity from getting the virus.

That's a good way of reaching lots of people. Netflix!

I think there may be a record number of Darwin awards given this year.

cadillackid · 04-26-2020, 06:04 PM

herd immunity is a proven way to qwell a virus spread however we are at an early point with this.. so many unknwon factors in its characteristics..

however

a truly lethal or severe virus has less chances of spreading as quickly as this one has for the mere fact it takes its hosts / spreaders out of the mix and therefore impedes itself.

while covid can kill, the fact it has spread so fast worldwide tends to lead itself to the fact that a Very high number of cases are Asymptomatic or are mild enough that the spreader stays in the mix.. ie the guy that goes to work or shopping sick.. generally the USA is one of the worst countries about going to work , school, etc while sick, yet this spread very quickly in other countries too.. countries where the general custom is to stay home no matter how mildly sick ..

in essence many people dont know they have it.. which also makes it more dangerous as you can unknowingly spread it to vulnerable patients.. ie your parents, grandparents, friends / relatives in poor health you are caring for.. which of course the virus is proven MUCH worse for those with certain existing health conditions..

back to Herd immunity for a moment, if in fact some sort of strain immunity is attained from this, then the Herd would be those who have already had it. and the rest would need to stay home , potentially until a vaccine or effecitve treatments are developed..

the USA would need to adopt a completely opposite view of health care from where it is now.. in the USA it has generally been unfortunately "acceptable" to admonish, chastise, and demean the unhealthy.. "oh he has diabetes because he is fat.. he is fat because he eats too much".. that attitude cant fly in the short term Present Covid world..

thr attitude needs to change to that of "Im well I need to make sure the diabetic has everything he needs so he doesnt have to go out and be at risk of Covid"..

while covid can and does kill healthy individuals, it is at a MUCH MUCH lower factor than that of elderly or unhealthy individuals..

so yes Herd immunity can work.. or pseudo herd.. where the people out running society are the least likely to be hospitalized and least likely to die.. yes we will lose some of us.. however the death factor could be cut down significantly with an attitude change..