COVID-19 | Effects on Skoolies - No Politics please.

[TheHubbardBus]

This thread is in desperate need of some levity...


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[Danjo]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Check out worldometer. It was worldwide data faster than any other site I've found and lots of interesting graphs and data.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

you can also pull up the data from individual countries. That's how I've kept an eye on the numbers.
FL media is doing their best to hide and discount the numbers here.
The lack of testing is how they keep the numbers lower.

I found county data Weather Underground

[DreamWeaverBus]

Originally Posted by Danjo

I found county data Weather Underground

Same here, it's a nice new option with the severe weather county warnings...

Also, for more county data:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...aps-and-cases/

[Native]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Injecting light as a disinfectant isn't "injecting disinfectants". Lets be clear please. And are you saying this is all what the prez was referring to? Cause you and him were both saying sarcasm before.

From the picture in the post:

Discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, the Healight injectable disinfectant has been licensed by AYTU ...

... it is NOT injecting common household cleaners.


What is being missed in all this is that us common folk do not know the extent to which medical science has advanced. We do not know if it really is viable to inject a substance that removes infections (what a lay person would call a dis-infectant) or otherwise introduce that substance into an infected body to combat the infection. We layfolk simply do not know. So the President, as a self-confessed layperson, asked for his team of doctors to see if it is possible. Nothing more.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by Native

From the picture in the post:

... it is NOT injecting common household cleaners.


What is being missed in all this is that us common folk do not know the extent to which medical science has advanced. We do not know if it really is viable to inject a substance that removes infections (what a lay person would call a dis-infectant) or otherwise introduce that substance into an infected body to combat the infection. We layfolk simply do not know. So the President, as a self-confessed layperson, asked for his team of doctors to see if it is possible. Nothing more.

Injecting light isn't the same as "injecting disinfectants". It looks like a wand that's inserted into the trachea. That's not injecting disinfectants.

Besides- you've already said it was "sarcasm".

[leadsled01]

He was being sarcastic to the Media. He and the Media hate each other. Stupid questions get stupid answers. ( just for the record I am not on the Presidents band wagon ). Watch Casey Roman on youtube about it. She explains it well.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by leadsled01

He was being sarcastic to the Media. He and the Media hate each other. Stupid questions get stupid answers. ( just for the record I am not on the Presidents band wagon ). Watch Casey Roman on youtube about it. She explains it well.

I'm BIG on sarcasm and just don't see any. I mean- the footage is all there. He even asks the doctor who awkwardly handles the oddness of the suggestion.


all this aside i saw this posted elsewhere and thought it was well said-

WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...

I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.

For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.

With the $600 weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.

Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.

Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.

Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.

Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.

Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.

Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.

So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.
Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.

We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.

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[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

all this aside i saw this posted elsewhere and thought it was well said-

Can't quote your quote, unfortunately, but that's an excellent description of the situation.

It's truly heartbreaking to witness the division this crisis has caused and/or illuminated in our nation. Like most around at the time, I remember 9/11 vividly. The one good thing that came out of that was an overwhelming feeling of national unity.

Now we're pointing fingers, choosing sides, and flying colors. Believers vs deniers with no middle ground in-between. The sad irony is that we all want exactly the same thing - for this to end, as quickly as possible. We just have different opinions on how to achieve that goal.

I wish everyone, on both 'sides', would admit to themselves that we're all in that same storm you mentioned. Our frustration & anger comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty is something we all share. It's a bad hand no matter who you are, and we're all playing at the same table.

[cadillackid]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Injecting light as a disinfectant isn't "injecting disinfectants". Lets be clear please. And are you saying this is all what the prez was referring to? Cause you and him were both saying sarcasm before.

Its great news for my cousin because the data is now showing that the prez's suggestion of using lupus/malaria medication actually lowers survival rate in covid patients. So the hydrochloroquine fad came and went and she can rest easy.

not so fast.. other countries are using hydroxy somewhat successfully as long as it isnt used in an already gravely ill patient.. it is being used as part of a cocktail and appears somewhat successful to use in patients that are at high risk of being intubated but havent declined to a gravely il status yet..



im not a trump fan however I really have issue with those who are just looking to debunk every damn thing he says.. people that do that are part of the problem.. no hydroxy isnt a miracle drug but its also not the death sentence either when used correctly and at the correct time..



oh and thats a **LOT** of drugs.. there were definitely studies that failed.. and those are how knowledge is gained.. and so the drug has gone through trials in other phases of illness and its found some success..



the gilead drug is the same way.. different dosages and and timings are important.. as well as the patients other helth issues.. as we all know covid affects those with multiple health issues on average much more than those without.. (of course there are exceptions and every hard left liberal is sure to bring up every exception to the rule just to anti-trump)

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by TheHubbardBus

Can't quote your quote, unfortunately, but that's an excellent description of the situation.

It's truly heartbreaking to witness the division this crisis has caused and/or illuminated in our nation. Like most around at the time, I remember 9/11 vividly. The one good thing that came out of that was an overwhelming feeling of national unity.

Now we're pointing fingers, choosing sides, and flying colors. Believers vs deniers with no middle ground in-between. The sad irony is that we all want exactly the same thing - for this to end, as quickly as possible. We just have different opinions on how to achieve that goal.

I wish everyone, on both 'sides', would admit to themselves that we're all in that same storm you mentioned. Our frustration & anger comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty is something we all share. It's a bad hand no matter who you are, and we're all playing at the same table.

I'd love to have that post-911 unity right now. Folks were willing to go to foreign countries and kill/die after 911. Now folks can't even be asked to wear a mask.

I can have a different opinion that someone. We can still be friends. Take Native for instance- I'll probably NEVER agree about politics, religion, or medical science with him. But me and Roxy still think the world of Sam and Gay. They're wonderful people to know.
While we may argue our points back and forth I'd not expect it to get too out of hand with insults and stuff. The folks I'm having issues with and wishing I'd never known are the 5g people on FB and social media and the more extreme conspiracy folks where conspiracy becomes like an actual religion to them. There's no reaching those folks and I know that. They didn't get themselves into their point of view with any kind of logic so no amount of logic will get them out.
What's got me perplexed is the sheer amount of people who outright reject any mention of science. I'm legitimately let down by how many personal friends of mine as well as family believe the virus simply isn't even real.

I think most of us no matter what side of the spectrum we come from are going to do our best to do our duty... But that other % is cause for some alarm. We have a fairly large number of people that are more or less GOING to spread it either willfully or ignorantly. They won't take a vaccination even if/when available, and they won't practice social distancing or PPE use.
Lets give them Florida? I'd personally start the exxodus out of here.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

not so fast.. other countries are using hydroxy somewhat successfully as long as it isnt used in an already gravely ill patient.. it is being used as part of a cocktail and appears somewhat successful to use in patients that are at high risk of being intubated but havent declined to a gravely il status yet..



im not a trump fan however I really have issue with those who are just looking to debunk every damn thing he says.. people that do that are part of the problem.. no hydroxy isnt a miracle drug but its also not the death sentence either when used correctly and at the correct time..



oh and thats a **LOT** of drugs.. there were definitely studies that failed.. and those are how knowledge is gained.. and so the drug has gone through trials in other phases of illness and its found some success..



the gilead drug is the same way.. different dosages and and timings are important.. as well as the patients other helth issues.. as we all know covid affects those with multiple health issues on average much more than those without.. (of course there are exceptions and every hard left liberal is sure to bring up every exception to the rule just to anti-trump)

You may be confused from fox media's BIG pro-hydroxy campaign. I'll dig up a link or two but the us tried a control group and hydroxy lowered the survival rate. That's why trump and co aren't pushing it anymore. Hydroxy is yesterdays "news".

Edit- here ya go, the VA already tried it and it showed no benefit. Slightly lower survival rate with it probably due to side effects with stuff like irregular heartbeat.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....16.20065920v2

In the study of 368 patients, 97 patients who took hydroxychloroquine had a 27.8% death rate. The 158 patients who did not take the drug had an 11.4% death rate.

[Drew Bru]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

The folks I'm having issues with and wishing I'd never known are the 5g people on FB and social media and the more extreme conspiracy folks where conspiracy becomes like an actual religion to them.

If you think the 5G people are nutty, wait'll you find out about the "Bill Gates is scheming to depopulate the world" people.

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Edit- here ya go, the VA already tried it and it showed no benefit. Slightly lower survival rate with it probably due to side effects with stuff like irregular heartbeat.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....16.20065920v2

In the study of 368 patients, 97 patients who took hydroxychloroquine had a 27.8% death rate. The 158 patients who did not take the drug had an 11.4% death rate.

Problem with that study is - like other studies that hint at opposite results - is that it wasn't an organized, randomized trial. Instead, it was a retroactive analysis of disparate cases.

It's quite possible that the entire reason HCQ was administered in the first place for many of those patients is because it was a hail-mary attempt to punt them back from the edge of death's door. It stands to reason experimental therapy would be more often than not applied to those worse off. This is but one reason I don't place any faith in those results.

As far as I know, the current evidence being used to argue for the efficacy of HCQ is likewise flawed, which if I'm correct, brings us right back around to "I dunno". But I admit I stopped following the research concerning it some time ago.

What I'm sure we both agree on is that announcing it as a 'potential game changer', or all the other shiny-happy-people adjectives we heard used to describe it, was - in the very best case - premature.

I personally know of numerous people who have admitted to ordering the drug online from questionable India-based 'pharmacies', and beginning their own self-prescribed courses as a prophylactic against infection. I'd consider that dangerous. Others may disagree.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by Drew Bru

If you think the 5G people are nutty, wait'll you find out about the "Bill Gates is scheming to depopulate the world" people.

I wasn't even going to mention their existence for fear of them popping up here next.

[Oscar1]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

I wasn't even going to mention their existence for fear of them popping up here next.

While I am not a 5G conspiracy believer I find it odd that everyone is so quick to jump all over anyone else with a different opinion about something. They told us asbesto was the miracle mineral and safe, 4 out of 5 Drs said Marlbouro lights were the safer cigarette. How many of you would buy a house near Three Mile island? How about under the big power lines? If low emmiter sources like ultra violet and infrared light are non-ionizing and therefor non-cell disrupting and safe like they told us why is uv used to kill virus and bacteria in water(FYI they call that disinfecting) and infrared light is used in cancer treatment because it attacks, disrupts and explodes cancer cells. Do you hold your cell phone to your ear or use the speaker?
Not looking to start a new debate here or even that I subscribe to it just saying just because you believe something doesn't always make it true. Sometimes scientists get it wrong and sometimes big business lies their ass off for big $$$

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by Oscar1

While I am not a 5G conspiracy believer I find it odd that everyone is so quick to jump all over anyone else with a different opinion about something. They told us asbesto was the miracle mineral and safe, 4 out of 5 Drs said Marlbouro lights were the safer cigarette. How many of you would buy a house near Three Mile island? How about under the big power lines? If low emmiter sources like ultra violet and infrared light are non-ionizing and therefor non-cell disrupting and safe like they told us why is uv used to kill virus and bacteria in water(FYI they call that disinfecting) and infrared light is used in cancer treatment because it attacks, disrupts and explodes cancer cells. Do you hold your cell phone to your ear or use the speaker?
Not looking to start a new debate here or even that I subscribe to it just saying just because you believe something doesn't always make it true. Sometimes scientists get it wrong and sometimes big business lies their ass off for big $$$

I'm the guy who's rejected smartphones and had a flip phone since 2012. But I'm sure there's zero chance 5g is causing corona. I'm not even going to go into why but if one believes that, well they're obviously going to believe it no matter what I or anyone else suggests.


I don't think I've "jumped all over anyone".

I have had to deal with 5g people for weeks. One former friend is literally trying to tell my wife that 5g has controlled my mind and that my vaccinations have implanted mind control bots into me and that I'm keeping her in the dark from the evil bill gates agenda. Our dog rescue lady thinks we're part of an agenda because roxy posts stuff about PPE and social distancing. We are now enemies to her. Like I'm literally dealing with insane cult members or something.
I wasn't talking about anyone here in the above posts, as no one's preaching 5g corona here. I was just talking about personal experiences during all this madness.

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by Oscar1

While I am not a 5G conspiracy believer I find it odd that everyone is so quick to jump all over anyone else with a different opinion about something.

In the case of the 5G thing, it's clear the people stating their opinions as facts couldn't possibly have any factual information to back up their opinions. Instead of looking at the problem objectively and asking "what if", they combine unrelated factoids, rumor, fantasy, and no small measure of paranoia, and weave it into a tapestry of "this is".

Take, for example, this gleaming gem of internet wisdom (much more at https://www.5gmediawatch.com/ ):

[banman]

I'll just say it "gets politicized" 'cause politicians are making decisions about the virus that effect our lives...

Meanwhile...

[JDSquared]

Originally Posted by banman

I'll just say it "gets politicized" 'cause politicians are making decisions about the virus that effect our lives...



Meanwhile...

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Man that's my state to a t. At least here in the city few people are interested in dining out (Maybe because they're in home depot all day) and most restaurants are staying take out only for now, even if Kemp says we need to go out.

[TheHubbardBus]

Dr. Fauci just made a statement regarding Remdesivir.

A large clinical, randomized trial has completed, showing it to be a somewhat efficacious treatment.
Note: Not (even close) to a cure. But it appears now to be a potentially useful tool in our arsenal.