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08-08-2020, 11:05 AM
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#1701
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Bus Geek
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so im taking a road trip.. all over the place really.. I cant sit home and still die of CoVid so I may as well get out on the road before i die of it..
for the first time ive seen a LOT of masking going on.. even in truck stops where previouslly there was very little.. sure ive seen a few people out in public spaces without masks but for the most part people are doing it.. im trekking ohio, indiana, tennsessee, alabama, lousiana, mississippi, texas.. will prob end up in arkansas and missouri and a couple other states.. ive been staying in the newest hotels of only major brands (hilton / marriott).. meals are still carry out in the bus.. social distancing in coffee houses and buildings seems to be better than it was earlier.. are peoiple finally Getting it? or am I just hittiong places that likely have more concern for it than others?
the big issue in ohio and other states is still gatherings.. another church group infected dozens recently.. our governor even broiught up masking and distancing in religiopus services in his daily reports.. of course the issue is that touching or limiting religion is tough.. parties and family reunions are also creating super-spreader events.. and now of course schools.. will we ever learn if masks work? probably not with all the other close-people events upticking.. and im sure the anti-maskers will say that the masks did no good when the positive test counts continue to rise..
testing accuracy is also still a problem.. our own governor tested positive.. then took another test and tested negative.. he will be taking a 3rd today.. but if our tests arent accurate then how can we begin to trace contacts or control the virus.. false positives cause mayhem and stress that makes peop[le say "told you so!" and false negatives mean a person will continue to spread and not know it..
-Christopher
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08-08-2020, 11:05 AM
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#1702
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Bus Geek
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Thanks CB. Good report. Jack
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08-09-2020, 02:16 PM
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#1703
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Site Team
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Another reminder to play nicely and not be jackasses
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08-09-2020, 11:36 PM
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#1704
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Bus Geek
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Originally Posted by Polarweasel
Another reminder to play nicely and not be jackasses
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LOL ... your post kind-of looks misplaced after the previous messages was deleted!
... note ... I do agree with your comment though.
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08-10-2020, 01:24 PM
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#1705
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Bus Geek
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08-11-2020, 11:09 AM
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#1706
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
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One strategy that has been interesting is Sweden’s lead by epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. Sweden had voluntary social distancing, no mask mandates and almost no public shutdown. Their strategy is looking more and more like one to ultimately follow for this particular virus.
COVID-19 Deaths per 1-Million as of 08-11-2020 reported on worldometers.info
UK- 685
Spain- 611
Italy- 582
Sweden- 571
USA- 502
Countries in very similar conditions with stricter mandates and public control are not seeing or reporting lower infection or death rates.
A number of Chicken Little's have been shouting, screaming and posting never ending “messages” that the sky will fall if a person doesn't wear a mask. As the pandemic plays out this info is just playing out as self absorbed nonsense.
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08-11-2020, 11:41 AM
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#1707
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Bus Geek
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5800+ new cases, 277 deaths, 580+ hospitalized in the last 24 hours here in FL.
Sick and sad how folks try to minimize the severity of this.
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08-11-2020, 11:48 AM
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#1708
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Virginia
Posts: 131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ACamper
One strategy that has been interesting is Sweden’s lead by epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. Sweden had voluntary social distancing, no mask mandates and almost no public shutdown. Their strategy is looking more and more like one to ultimately follow for this particular virus.
COVID-19 Deaths per 1-Million as of 08-11-2020 reported on worldometers.info
UK- 685
Spain- 611
Italy- 582
Sweden- 571
USA- 502
Countries in very similar conditions with stricter mandates and public control are not seeing or reporting lower infection or death rates.
A number of Chicken Little's have been shouting, screaming and posting never ending “messages” that the sky will fall if a person doesn't wear a mask. As the pandemic plays out this info is just playing out as self absorbed nonsense.
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Deaths per 1 million, we have 331m population and Sweden has 10m population. Wear the damn mask. Also he said in June they should have done more, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717.
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08-11-2020, 12:14 PM
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#1709
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Bus Geek
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AC, your data does not support your supposition--primarily because it ignores relative population density in each country. If there is nobody around you can't catch their 19. Considering the population densities (number of people per square mile) in each of the countries you mention, a very different conclusion can and should be drawn.
UK 727
Spain 243
Italy 523
Sweden 64
USA 94
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08-11-2020, 12:26 PM
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#1710
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Bus Geek
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South Korea reported its first case the same day as us. Look at where they are now and look at where we are.
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08-11-2020, 01:07 PM
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#1711
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Bus Crazy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
South Korea reported its first case the same day as us. Look at where they are now and look at where we are.
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Dude, you're arguing with these guys
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08-11-2020, 01:32 PM
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Skoolie
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ACamper I agree with you. Other countries have been suggesting high risk people stay home but no strict measures for the rest and they have had minimal problems.
If you want to wear a mask , wear one but I won’t hate on people who don’t. I wear one out of courtesy but that’s it.
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08-11-2020, 01:50 PM
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#1713
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Bus Geek
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If high risk people are expected to just drop out of society while the rest of the populace spread it around merrily we'll literally never get it under any kind of control. We've sat at home since March waiting on the rest of the country to grow up. We're lucky we're able to live off very little. The rest of the country aren't quite so lucky. My mom is high risk, yet her job is on the front line working at the local ICU. She's literally only alive because her insurance pays for her bi-monthly IV infusion. Sickens me that so many folks can't be bothered to wear an effing mask to try and minimize the danger to those folks like my mom who literally have no choice in this and have to go out into it everyday.
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08-11-2020, 02:53 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 399
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Originally Posted by sutphinins
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I am not finding were Anders Tegnell says "they should have done more" in the video or text of the link.
Anders Tegnell has been very critical of his info and decisions which all leaders should do in crisis's. Over all the majority of Sweeden is very happy with the response. The medical system is holding up as well as the rest of society.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ol trunt
AC, your data does not support your supposition--primarily because it ignores relative population density in each country. If there is nobody around you can't catch their 19. Considering the population densities (number of people per square mile) in each of the countries you mention, a very different conclusion can and should be drawn.
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Relative population density is too broad of a brush you have counties like the US and USSR that have massive tracts of empty land with packed cities. You have to focus on population densities not Relative population density to be relevant.
Stockholm Sweden population density of 4,800 people per square kilometer,
1 in 5 in Stockholm have virus antibodies - https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...es-sweden.html
This is a pandemic marathon it is possible that in a year places like Sweden will have herd immunity and be on with life as we knew it. Where will places be that currently have 1.2% of the population with antibodies ? Probably still hiding in lock down waiting for big pharma to create, make and distribute a possible vaccine.
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08-11-2020, 03:05 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 399
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
If high risk people are expected to just drop out of society while the rest of the populace spread it around merrily we'll literally never get it under any kind of control.
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Should we all revolve our lives around high risk people ?
Or maybe.. create a protected place for them ? or help them create a protected place for themselves ?
This COVID19 virus is out of control. We are all going to get it. You can hope your government and big pharma will deliver you a vaccine some year, but that is not guaranteed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
We've sat at home since March waiting on the rest of the country to grow up.
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Because everyone else besides you isn't "grown up" ?
Many people cannot just hold up in a safe home. They have to go out and make money or go homeless. Sorry if that seems childish to you.
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08-11-2020, 03:30 PM
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#1716
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Virginia
Posts: 131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ACamper
I am not finding were Anders Tegnell says "they should have done more" in the video or text of the link.
Anders Tegnell has been very critical of his info and decisions which all leaders should do in crisis's. Over all the majority of Sweeden is very happy with the response. The medical system is holding up as well as the rest of society.
Relative population density is too broad of a brush you have counties like the US and USSR that have massive tracts of empty land with packed cities. You have to focus on population densities not Relative population density to be relevant.
Stockholm Sweden population density of 4,800 people per square kilometer,
1 in 5 in Stockholm have virus antibodies - https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...es-sweden.html
This is a pandemic marathon it is possible that in a year places like Sweden will have herd immunity and be on with life as we knew it. Where will places be that currently have 1.2% of the population with antibodies ? Probably still hiding in lock down waiting for big pharma to create, make and distribute a possible vaccine.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ACamper
Should we all revolve our lives around high risk people ?
Or maybe.. create a protected place for them ? or help them create a protected place for themselves ?
This COVID19 virus is out of control. We are all going to get it. You can hope your government and big pharma will deliver you a vaccine some year, but that is not guaranteed.
Because everyone else besides you isn't "grown up" ?
Many people cannot just hold up in a safe home. They have to go out and make money or go homeless. Sorry if that seems childish to you.
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First, Tegnell is quoted in the bbc link
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Now he has told Swedish public radio: "If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done."
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That's kind of a silly statement imo. If that's your response to a new virus showing up and being contagious I wouldn't want them running my country's virus defense. "If we had scored 10 more points we wouldn't have lost by 30 points." "If we don't test we won't have so many cases."
Second your antibody link is from May, I didn't see any follow up studies on that one but here's one regarding the outbreak in Spain, https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...vid-antibodies. We're not really getting herd immunity as far as I can tell.
Finally you know exactly what ECCB meant by his comments, responding to comments/arguments like that might seem to work for some but it's childish and you're better than that.
Those that are at high risk could easily be able to go out and do what they need to do safely if everyone wore a mask and kept as much distance between each other as we can. It's that simple. And yes businesses mandate masks inside their place of business and the ADA does not say you don't have to wear a mask. The ADA says they have to make reasonable accommodations, so if you don't wear a mask and refuse their offer of alternate service then that's your choice to not do business there.
Wearing a mask doesn't hurt you and don't infringe on your rights. If a business can say no shirt no shoes no service, then they can add mask required to it.
(All opinions are my own and not necessarily those of the insurance agency, and my patience for people over these issues is running thin)
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08-11-2020, 03:43 PM
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#1717
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 399
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sutphinins
First, Tegnell is quoted in the bbc link
That's kind of a silly statement imo. If that's your response to a new virus showing up and being contagious I wouldn't want them running my country's virus defense. "If we had scored 10 more points we wouldn't have lost by 30 points." "If we don't test we won't have so many cases."
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Tegnellis not the best speaker, his actions have been interesting and so far holding up very well. Much better then most countries responses if you look at death, medical and sentiment in the citizens.
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Originally Posted by sutphinins
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It is too early to really tell about antibodies. I have seen the 1-5 number a couple of places that were heavily infected along with Sweden. If you put that into COVID19 growth models it is very realistic to expect 1-2 or 50% in a year.
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08-11-2020, 04:12 PM
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#1718
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Bus Geek
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AC, I'll be happy to paint with your narrow relative density paint brush. If you only consider population rich environments like Stockholm and LA, both Sweden and the USA end up even farther behind the curve from that perspective.
I hate wearing a mask and I dislike social distancing but I will continue to practice both. If it turns out that neither was necessary I'll have only been inconvenienced. If it turns out that the spread of 19 can be controlled by masks and distancing I'll still be around to tell the tale.
Mankind is often slow to learn. The black plague of the 14th century killed off about 60% of Europe's population. The spread of the disease came about thru contact with infected persons body fluids--mostly air borne spittle. They didn't know that then but guess what China recently did when a case of plague surfaced in their country. Quarantine, a harsh form of social distancing and the spread of the disease was halted although the sick person did die.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/asia/...scn/index.html
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08-11-2020, 06:24 PM
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#1719
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Bus Geek
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Selfish, narcissistic people don't want to be wearing a mask and are ready to write off folks like my mom. She's put at risk every single day to make a living and keep her insurance. IDK why its so hard to have an iota of compassion but I'm not a narcissist and don't have narcissistic tendencies or an out of check ego so I can't relate to those people at all. I'm pretty sure asking a narcissist to cover up their face is a big deal to them, since looking at themselves and being looked at by others is VERY important to them. Probably eats at them inside to cover up what they think is "gods gift to the world".
https://www.newsweek.com/narcissists...avirus-1519732
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ial-distancing
https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/narc...hoarding-57230
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08-11-2020, 10:00 PM
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#1720
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Bus Geek
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