COVID-19 | Effects on Skoolies - No Politics please.

[Doktari]

That’s sad it’s hitting some families hard. I still don’t know anyone who has had it. But I notice very sniffle, sneeze, itch, sore joint, fever, etc I have this year. I feel hypersensitive. This virus threat has a psychological effect. Are there any benefits from it. It’s made me think about what’s important to me. I’m a better person. Someone asked me “are you a successful person or a success as a person”? Does it have to be one or the other, or none, or both? I’d like to be both.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by Doktari

That’s sad it’s hitting some families hard. I still don’t know anyone who has had it. But I notice very sniffle, sneeze, itch, sore joint, fever, etc I have this year. I feel hypersensitive. This virus threat has a psychological effect. Are there any benefits from it. It’s made me think about what’s important to me. I’m a better person. Someone asked me “are you a successful person or a success as a person”? Does it have to be one or the other, or none, or both? I’d like to be both.

I've done a lot of thinking about what's important this year too.
Its a unique time for sure. Lots of people I thought I knew have let me down.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by s2mikon

Well Cadillackid you just hit the nail on the head! I would like to add that affordable treatments for covid such as HCQ and others were basically shut down. This whole covid 19 mess has been made worse by our inept rulers. This covid virus has gone through most of my wife's entire family including her 85 year old father. And they are still with us. I think some people are just less susceptible to this virus than others. We have been promised a vaccine that makes many people very sick, so I don't trust it. How many other big pharma train wrecks have we seen? Just wait until the trial lawyers get started. Class action law suit adds will fill the airways and our mail boxes. I bet they are salivating like Pavlov's puppies.

HCQ was never ever proven effective at any off label use involving covid. that's been a proven fact.

[s2mikon]

East Coast CB, If HCQ does not work then how do you explain all the thousands of people that received it and got well almost immediately? If this HCQ therapy is ineffective at treating covid and is just a placebo effect then maybe the virus is not that dangerous.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by s2mikon

East Coast CB, If HCQ does not work then how do you explain all the thousands of people that received it and got well almost immediately? If this HCQ therapy is ineffective at treating covid and is just a placebo effect then maybe the virus is not that dangerous.

How bout its on you to prove it works.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...id-19-patients

The scientists also found no differences in any of 12 additional outcomes, which included mortality 28 days after assignment to a treatment group or time to recovery. Based on the data, they concluded that hydroxychloroquine was not an effective treatment.

“We hope this clear result will help practitioners make informed treatment decisions and researchers continue their efforts pursuing other possible safe and effective treatments for patients suffering with this disease,” says Dr. James P. Kiley of NHLBI.

Studies in the United Kingdom and Brazil had similar results. Researchers continue to evaluate several other possible treatments for COVID-19, which has caused more than 250,000 deaths in the U.S. to date.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...r-convalescent

Two studies published yesterday in the New England Journal of Medicine found that two once-promising but largely discredited COVID-19 treatments—hydroxychloroquine and convalescent plasma—didn't prevent infection or lead to clinical improvement.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942941

Physician Indicted on Charges of Selling Hydroxychloroquine as COVID-19 Cure

https://academic.oup.com/jac/article/76/1/30/5919602

Conclusions
Moderate certainty evidence suggests that HCQ, with or without azithromycin, lacks efficacy in reducing short-term mortality in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 or risk of hospitalization in outpatients with COVID-19.

[Native]

Appearing as a witness on Dec. 8, 2020, before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs—which held a hearing on “Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution”— Dr. Pierre Kory, President of the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), called for the government to swiftly review the already expansive and still rapidly emerging medical evidence on Ivermectin.
The data shows the ability of the drug Ivermectin to prevent COVID-19, to keep those with early symptoms from progressing to the hyper-inflammatory phase of the disease, and even to help critically ill patients recover. Dr. Kory testified that Ivermectin is effectively a “miracle drug” against COVID-19 and called upon the government’s medical authorities—the NIH, CDC, and FDA—to urgently review the latest data and then issue guidelines for physicians, nurse-practitioners, and physician assistants to prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19.

The quote above is from the link below. There is a video of the doctor testifying in front of Congress. (28 minutes) From: https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Alternately, you may view the video (10 minutes) plus a short introduction and commercials on Youtube here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXO...QhBgIMOPZN0rZg

Here is Dr. John Campbell's video concerning Ivermectin:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BLWQtT7dHGE

Then there is concern for the Drosten PRC COVID-19 test that is used all over the world.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/corona...EShpOgEoeGoS7g

[EastCoastCB]

https://www.kolotv.com/2020/12/22/iv...ent-for-covid/

RENO, Nev. (KOLO) - Mackenna LaFond says she noticed the trend about a week ago.

“Walks in and asked if we have any medicine,” says LaFond a clerk at Sierra Feed in Reno. “I say what kind of medicine?” He says, Ivermectin. Told me the whole story; says it cured coronavirus. Came over here and he bought 8 of them,” she says.

LaFond says customers are taking multiple tubes home with them and often ask her how they should take it.

“I tell them every time it is just for animals,” says LaFond. “Even though I know they are going to take it for themselves,” she says.

The signs are clearly marked near the Ivermectin, and LaFond says customers are asked to sign the receipt indicating they understand the Ivermectin sold at the feed store is for horses, not humans. None of that has deterred customers who believe the medication will help them ward off or even treat COVID.

So much so, feed stores are having trouble keeping the medication in stock.

“Well I think Ivermectin clearly falls into the same category as Hydroxychloroquine,” says Dr. Bret Frey, an emergency room physician. “It has not shown any benefit and has shown very likely it can be harmful,” he says.

Ivermectin does come in a human form. But the drug is prescribed at a much lower dose for specific medical conditions. It is effective, but not as a treatment or preventative for COVID. And taking Ivermectin designed to treat parasites in horses can be deadly.

[s2mikon]

Please understand when you read this post I an not directing this at anyone on this fine forum. I remember what my college economics instructor stated many years ago, if something looks confusing or just does not make sense try to determine who is getting rich from it. If we apply this metric to covid it becomes apparent very quickly that one of the parties that stands to make a lot of money from this dumpster fire called covid is “big pharma”. These people as a group do not have a good track record. This is not something new that has happened in the last few years. It has been going on for decades. Low cost solutions are not wanted. Period. They sell their products in poor countries for pennies on the dollar and stick it to us here at home and pass the cost to insurance companies and make our insurance go through the roof. I am not defending insurance companies either. They are not your friend either. You might as well add the Federal Government (FDA) to that list. They either obstruct approval or look the other way. Their track record is not a shining example. Then there is the revolving door between former FDA staff and big pharma. Very similar to the DOD and lockheed martin. And doctors? Yes many of them get involved too. Many make far more income doing studies than actually helping the sick. It takes a lot of integrity to take money for a study/research that results do not support the granter and then bite the hand feeding them. Now add to the mix the media. A large part of their advertising revenue is from big pharma and the word integrity is not in their dictionary. Here is a group of people that would tell a lie when the truth would sound better. They have spread fear and panic and have sensationalized stories because of malice or stupidity. Either way we the public are not well served. This malfeasance by the media has polarized the country into to opposing camps of deniers and sheeple sucking up the pablum spewed out by them. This is a disgrace. Remember this is supposed to be a free Country. If you want to wear two masks and hide in the basement of your bus please knock your self out. I don't care and I won't interfere with you. But if I don't want to wear a damn mask it is nobody's G.D. Business. You also can't tell me to stay home when I am not sick. And if I want to keep my business open I will. **** the State. The biggest causality in this “pandemic” is OUR personal freedoms. PLEASE FIGHT FOR THEM! If we loose these cherished freedoms to assemble, travel and seek the medical help we as individuals want we will not get them back.

[peteg59]

/\...Amen to all of that!!!.../\

Whatever medication(s) our POTUS was prescribed at Walter Reed after contracting covid should be publicized in our national/international media, but as succinctly stated above, they're in bed with big pharma and won't get off the cash cow's teat to save our population, damnit!!!

[cadillackid]

Originally Posted by peteg59

/\...Amen to all of that!!!.../\

Whatever medication(s) our POTUS was prescribed at Walter Reed after contracting covid should be publicized in our national/international media, but as succinctly stated above, they're in bed with big pharma and won't get off the cash cow's teat to save our population, damnit!!!

isnt it. the same with cancer? year after year we read about medical breakthroughs in terms of "possible cures for cancer".. yet none of them ever make it to the mainstream.. big pharma makes a crap ton on cancer patients.. we talk about hospitals being overrun with covid patients yet still in terms of percentages cancer patients still take up a higher %% of beds than covid patients do.. and big pharma loves it..



im not sure how tyou fix it.. if i was to go to school for 10 years racking up 100s of thousands of dollars in student debt to become a botech scientist by god i wouldnt want to work for $75,000 a year.. thus if you take all the $$ out of it do you have anyoine who wants to become a doctor or biologiest or biotech chemist? how much is too much? how little is too little? tough questions to ask ..


the science is still out on HCQ for covid.. every lib in the world hates me when i say that it worked for some people.. simply because trump supported it.. reality is it is like a lot of drugs it harms some and helps others.. there are people who have huge GI issues from taking ibuprofen yet I can eat it like candy when i habve pain and never a single side effect.. something as simple as that.. so when we talk complex drugs.. yep they affect peoples bodies differently..


AS DOES NUTRITION.. the issue with all of the government and "healthy vs unhealthy habits" is everyone's body is different.. why do some 92 year olds who smoke like chimneys not ewven have a cough in the morning.. yet other non smokers got lung cancer at 42? everyone's body is different.. there are unhealthy thin guys and healthy fat guys.. some feel-good scientiest nutrion guy gets some scvreen time on TV because he is hot to look at and vibrant personality and all the sudden its what everyone is required to do or be called unhealthy..



insurance, disease, etc is very much different in every person it touches.. why do healthy 28 year olds die of covid while some 80 year olds get through it like it was the flu? both with equal race and socio-economic abilites.. reason? because everyone's body is different...



same with the vacines. some have zero side effects others have allergic reaction, others ha ve mild short-lived symptoims from it..


big pharma and insurance treats every single body like it is equal.. its probably the only place in society that is treated equal.. and the place where it shouldnt be..

[EastCoastCB]

My opinion of HCQ has nothing at all to do with politics.NOT one iota.

[dwood443]

6 months ago I asked my doctor what he thought of HCQ (hydrocliquin right?) and he told me he treated 3 cases of covid and he treated all three with HCQ and they recovered just fine. he told me many of his colleagues also recommend it. He also told me because a certain person recommended it almost everyone would be against it.

I'm sure some will disagree but I trust my doctor. and I'm looking forward to talking to him in person about the vaccine and get his recommendation on that too.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by dwood443

6 months ago I asked my doctor what he thought of HCQ (hydrocliquin right?) and he told me he treated 3 cases of covid and he treated all three with HCQ and they recovered just fine. he told me many of his colleagues also recommend it. He also told me because a certain person recommended it almost everyone would be against it.

I'm sure some will disagree but I trust my doctor. and I'm looking forward to talking to him in person about the vaccine and get his recommendation on that too.

Only 3 and anecdotal isn't any kind of proof. Especially since 98% of covid patients survive without HCQ.
that doctor could have given all 3 valerian root and if they survived that wouldn't mean valerian root was a valid treatment.

[s2mikon]

EastCoastCB, Thank you, thank you, thank you. You just stated the overall survival rate of covid 19 at 98 percent. As per the CDC it is 98.5% I'm not trying to pick a fight with you over .5% For the young and middle age it is almost 100% For the elderly over 70 it is higher. Around 94% Now go compare that to cancer. 70-80% depending on the type? I am not a doctor. I've just played one on occasionally. Then why in the hell are we running around like our hair is on fire? Do I want to get this crap? No. But come on man, (better get used to this phrase) abridging peoples freedoms to earn a living and travel and assembly for something that damn near has a 100% survival rate is as asinine as it gets. This entire covid mess is a bureaucrat / social engineers wet dream. Of all the people in the country skoole owners should be some of the most skeptical in the lot. Look at the bureaucratic bravo sierra we have to endure just to register, use and insure our projects of love. A healthy dose of skepticism is needed when we look at the news or listen to our inept rulers. When the government tells you they are here to help, watch out! Just look at their success stories: The war on communism, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, Forrest fires and the granddaddy of lately affordable health care. I'm sorry but these idiots would be hard pressed to manage a bad case of diarrhea. Remember only you can make the proper decisions as to how you want to care for your health. And it is only your business how you want to proceed. If you want to dabble in the grapes, use tobacco, smoke the devils cabbage, eat tasty animals go ahead. I'll even join in with you on some of it. Choices and freedom. I love it. Please join us.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by s2mikon

EastCoastCB, Thank you, thank you, thank you. You just stated the overall survival rate of covid 19 at 98 percent. As per the CDC it is 98.5% I'm not trying to pick a fight with you over .5% For the young and middle age it is almost 100% For the elderly over 70 it is higher. Around 94% Now go compare that to cancer. 70-80% depending on the type? I am not a doctor. I've just played one on occasionally. Then why in the hell are we running around like our hair is on fire? Do I want to get this crap? No. But come on man, (better get used to this phrase) abridging peoples freedoms to earn a living and travel and assembly for something that damn near has a 100% survival rate is as asinine as it gets. This entire covid mess is a bureaucrat / social engineers wet dream. Of all the people in the country skoole owners should be some of the most skeptical in the lot. Look at the bureaucratic bravo sierra we have to endure just to register, use and insure our projects of love. A healthy dose of skepticism is needed when we look at the news or listen to our inept rulers. When the government tells you they are here to help, watch out! Just look at their success stories: The war on communism, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, Forrest fires and the granddaddy of lately affordable health care. I'm sorry but these idiots would be hard pressed to manage a bad case of diarrhea. Remember only you can make the proper decisions as to how you want to care for your health. And it is only your business how you want to proceed. If you want to dabble in the grapes, use tobacco, smoke the devils cabbage, eat tasty animals go ahead. I'll even join in with you on some of it. Choices and freedom. I love it. Please join us.

Who'd talking about abridging freedoms???

This is all turning into tinfoil hat talk.

All I've been saying is have some common sense and compassion- try to not spread an airborne communicable pandemic virus. The rest of this "discussion" is just nonsensical drivel.
2% of the population dying in addition to the normal amount of death is a serious thing. 2% of nearly 400 million people, man. This isn't some minor number.
the normal causes of death don't have reefer trailers and overflowing icu's going on on the regular.

[ACamper]

It looks like a few significant mutations of COVID-19 are coming out. As most virologist have warned about from the start this will make the vaccines worthless(except for the billion dollar big phama industry).

All those hiding and waiting for the vaccine as a strategy, well.. looks like FAIL.. (unless you have big phama stocks).

[EastCoastCB]

https://www.augustachronicle.com/sto...rk/4024464001/

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...4-be971dfe6e9b

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...vaccine-mutant

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/hi...vid-mutations/

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...olves/2420234/

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by ACamper

It looks like a few significant mutations of COVID-19 are coming out. As most virologist have warned about from the start this will make the vaccines worthless(except for the billion dollar big phama industry).

All those hiding and waiting for the vaccine as a strategy, well.. looks like FAIL.. (unless you have big phama stocks).

The virus was mutating from the first day of its existence, & will continue to do so, just like every other virus known to man. That's the reason the flu vaccine is different every year. A long-term vaccination strategy for COVID will likely look very similar to the flu vaccine, assuming COVID remains a long-term threat. That doesn't mean the vaccines don't work or are failures. Your statement that most virologists have warned from the start that mutations will make the vaccines worthless is simply flat-out wrong, especially when you consider that the world's most renowned virologists are in fact the ones responsible for the creation of the vaccines in the first place. Mutation is one major reason no vaccine will be 100% effective, but 100% effectiveness is not required for a vaccine to save countless lives, and livelihoods.

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by dwood443

6 months ago I asked my doctor what he thought of HCQ (hydrocliquin right?) and he told me he treated 3 cases of covid and he treated all three with HCQ and they recovered just fine. he told me many of his colleagues also recommend it. He also told me because a certain person recommended it almost everyone would be against it.

I wouldn't trust the opinion of anyone who drew a conclusion on the efficacy of anything based on a sample size of 3. Did all 3 of those people also eat breakfast? If so it must have been breakfast that cured them. Bacon & Eggs for everyone!

[ol trunt]

Well said HB, thank you.
Jack