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Old 06-16-2020, 06:50 PM   #1221
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My prediction is that Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, and a lot of other states will impose a whole bunch of restrictions again in August after the hospitals are completely full.

Yes, the pundits are right - the hospitals are currently nowhere near full. Also, most communities haven't lost many people. And, the bulk of the populations is very low risk. Also, lockdowns cripple the economy, which has lots of negative effects, including for public health. It is easy to pretend right now that this isn't a real thing.

However, if the upward trend continues, we're going to run out of ICU space in 6-12 weeks and lots of folks, particularly the elderly and those in poor health, will die.

Interestingly, it has been shown that if people take reasonable precautions, we can slow the spread without shutting down again. We could go basically indefinitely with the cases/day not climbing and hospitals having extra beds available so everyone sick gets top notch care while the economy recovers. Will we? It seems unlikely.

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I live in Montana where there has been very little infection rate. For a few weeks we were not having any new cases, however; they have opened Montana back up and the tourists are flooding in. New cases are popping up every day now. The part of Montana where I live (Kalispell) didn't seem like it really ever did shut down. I wear a mask any time I have to go out to any public place but in general almost nobody else does. Staying six feet from everybody is almost impossible. People will walk right up to you and brush against you. I have found myself being a bit rude to people who do that!
The total confirmed cases in all of Montana is 615 but i expect that number to skyrocket within another month.
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My aunt in Montana is trying to get us all to meet in VA in August for a family reunion. My parents and i won't be attending.

The FL ag commissioner has publicly called out our governor. I love our ag commissioner. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/fl...official-says/
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it seems crowds are the issue.. Ohio has reopened as lot but hasnt seen a huge uptick.. however we are not a tourist destination.. yet we now can eat out, hang out on patios, get our hair cut, go to work etc.. im guessing part of the issue with florida is that the main source of economy is Crowds.. Ag is a small part of florida's overall economy.. so if you shut down the crowded beach bars and hotels you kill a huge portion of people's ability to feed themselves.. not to mention the vulnerability of what I call "retirement" states like florida, arizona, carolinas etc where older often more susceptible people go to retire and live (full time).. obviously the snow birds are gone for the year ...



an interesting thing im notiving here is that Old people seem to be the worst oofenders when it comes to not masking.. im wondering if thats due to "political hype" or if its that many dont get online.. and online is really the only place to buy masks for anything other than a gouging Price ...


the uptick in arizona is interesting as im not sure where that stems from since its not a crowded state and "tourism" there is more spread out as people visit natural and desert museums as opposed to crowded beaches..
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Old 06-17-2020, 07:23 AM   #1225
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it seems crowds are the issue.. Ohio has reopened as lot but hasnt seen a huge uptick.. however we are not a tourist destination.. yet we now can eat out, hang out on patios, get our hair cut, go to work etc.. im guessing part of the issue with florida is that the main source of economy is Crowds.. Ag is a small part of florida's overall economy.. so if you shut down the crowded beach bars and hotels you kill a huge portion of people's ability to feed themselves.. not to mention the vulnerability of what I call "retirement" states like florida, arizona, carolinas etc where older often more susceptible people go to retire and live (full time).. obviously the snow birds are gone for the year ...



an interesting thing im notiving here is that Old people seem to be the worst oofenders when it comes to not masking.. im wondering if thats due to "political hype" or if its that many dont get online.. and online is really the only place to buy masks for anything other than a gouging Price ...


the uptick in arizona is interesting as im not sure where that stems from since its not a crowded state and "tourism" there is more spread out as people visit natural and desert museums as opposed to crowded beaches..
In FL the ag commissioner does quite a bit. Not just ag.
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an interesting thing im notiving here is that Old people seem to be the worst oofenders when it comes to not masking.. im wondering if thats due to "political hype" or if its that many dont get online.. and online is really the only place to buy masks for anything other than a gouging Price ...
You've noticed that as well? I've noticed that from the get go that those around here who are 60+ aren't masking. All the ones that I ask about it all say "if I die, I die, I've lived my life".

It really makes me wonder wtf we're all going through this for then if most of those that will be affected don't care.

The economic factor is a big thing. Something that hasn't been mentioned yet, and maybe my area is the only place like this, but a lot of your hospitals stay in business because of elective surgeries like joint replacements. When they knocked them down to emergencies only, employees were furloughs or laid off. That all helped, but our local hospital wasn't in the greatest shape financially to begin with, so covid definitely harmed them. It's a pretty large building to only have 2-4 patients in it.
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the uptick in arizona is interesting as im not sure where that stems from since its not a crowded state and "tourism" there is more spread out as people visit natural and desert museums as opposed to crowded beaches..
I'm seeing 50/50 at least on the elderly when I've been out, but I'm sure you get out more than I do --
I was working from home (and commuting to WY) pre-'Rona, now I'm just working from home...

Arizona has quite a few bottlenecks though as well -- Grand Canyon will be elbow to elbow for example...
Water parks, Sedona, Flagstaff will be crowded in their "quaint old-town" areas...

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In FL the ag commissioner does quite a bit. Not just ag.
Yeah, it's troubling -- Politics should ONLY be about what to do with the facts, not denying the facts...

I have a VERY hard time with Covid-19 deniers. If you tell me you don't care -- okay, fine -- we'll flagrantly disagree about what "social responsibility" means, and what an individual should do as part of the hive but that's very different then telling me it's a hoax...

Super sad to me that it will take a new wave of death, and crippling side effects to wake up the naysayers...
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Old 06-17-2020, 08:26 AM   #1228
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At this point I doubt anything WILL wake the naysayers. Still getting a flood of pm's and emails from family members and "friends" pushing 5g theories and all that kinda crap.
Here I'm seeing certain demographics associated with wearing masks. The old ppl with new york and PA plates tend to mask up more than the old ppl from OH and MI. Most old ppl here aren't masking or distancing. A couple of my friends have said they've had to yell at old folks about getting too close in Lowes and HD. The most masks I see are when i'm in the walmark parking lot waiting on my curbside pickup. About 1/3 to 1/2 of the ppl I see there are wearing masks. No one at restaurants, bars, etc is wearing them in my town. Also I've noticed cars vs trucks... Car drivers are way more likely to wear a mask when they get where they're going. Trucks and company vehicles' drivers almost never mask up. In my circle of friends and family there are clear political lines of mask vs no mask.
I'll keep wearing an n95 any time I have any reason to be near anyone that doesn't live in my house. I sometimes wear the more comfortable fabric mask if the other person is wearing any kind of face covering. But I usually go for the n95 anyhow. If me wearing a mask saves even one person from getting sick or dying then it was worth it. Even if it doesn't its still worth it to know I took every step I could to try and prevent myself from being a part of the problem.
At the end of the day there will be those of us who did what we could and those of us who didn't. I know I'll be on the right side of this ugly part of US history.
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I'm faced with a personal dilemma -- I have to go back to WY for work in a few weeks and the airlines doing fewer flts are running full planes. SouthWest is not filling the middle seats but that still leaves you only 2˝' from the people next to you in all that recycled air...

Compared to being in full MOPP gear in the noon day sun (yes, I've done it for hours -- good times...) I can be perfectly comfortable wearing a full-face respirator on the plane for 2 to 3 hours -- I'll just go to sleep...
I know this may disturb some people around me but...

Or I can drive -- two daze, 20 road hours give or take...
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that sucks man. What you gona do?
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that sucks man. What you gona do?
Don't know -- thinking "out loud" over coffee...

Pro's and Con's -- flying is fast n' cheap and... people

driving is 4 daze "wasted" but I can take my MTB and other stuff...
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That would be an easy choice for me. I'd rather drive than be in an enclosed space with anyone that doesn't live with me.




26+ new cases in FL reported today.
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ive completely given up flying.. we have one of our guys that is kind of like (F covid) he is from Cali.. he has flown a couple times and said the planes were nearly full.. and the airports werent too busy



he flew american once and southwest the other.. he said southwest was better about distancing.. masking on the plane was good he said.. other than wearing a mask constantly sitting down for 6 hours to fly across the country sucked.. you could use the restroom but they didnt want people to just stroll the plane like they used to do on long flights.



I didnt like flying Pre CoVid im sure id hate it more now..



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I do get out and about quite a bit.. I pick and choose my places.. ie no parties, festivals, bars, and im not keen on indoor dining except at a couple places where I know the tables are way more than 6 ft.. one of my fav coffee houses is a very large open space and she has her tables way far apart. plus the patio which gets a lot of sun each day.. I really am not much for A/C during the day (even though I preach it and use the heck out of it in my busses I really dont like to be in it in buildings)... I do still use the Dining-bus quite a bit for my restaraunt meals.. my roomie actually has kind of gotten into it.. have also notice a few others joining in the idea of "parking-lot-patio" dining amongst themselves at places since we've been doing it. . bag chairs and a card table.. as of yet restaraunts havent kicked me or anyone else out of their parking lots.. however it would be nice if they would empty their parking lot trash cans more often..



we will see what happens in ohio as apparently larger gatherings(over 10) are allowed to open again as well as the casinos next week.. we shall see if we get our spike.. if we do then hopefully they just shut that part back down and not kill the whole economy again. . having restaraunts, salons, small gatherings and such open hasnt cuased a spike so its obvious those arent the big danger items.. im guessing big parties, festivals, and the like will send us into our spike..
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I don't think anyones going to do any real shutdowns. Maybe miami and some larger metro areas, MAYBE.

FL won't be doing ANYTHING other than encouraging tourism and gathering so anyone finding their options limited- come on down and join the party on the earthen cruise ship called Florida! lol
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I don't think anyones going to do any real shutdowns. Maybe miami and some larger metro areas, MAYBE.

FL won't be doing ANYTHING other than encouraging tourism and gathering so anyone finding their options limited- come on down and join the party on the earthen cruise ship called Florida! lol

miami already said no to phase 3 even though it was supposed to go into effect this week.. so they at least slowed things down...



real shutdowns again are going to be more devestating economically.. I know you think living on zero or little money is OK because you are "alive".. however thats not the case for many of us.. and thats been conveyed to lawmakers and public officials alike.. rolling closures of high risk events and activities seem like a better bet.. ie like truly enforce the original plan for beaches which was distancing.. truly enforce the mask rules instead of letting them go..



but we all know wherei t goes.. in government and in the people these days theres no such thing as a middle ground.. it either results ijn total open or near total lockdown.. in which both have highly detrimental effects..
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miami already said no to phase 3 even though it was supposed to go into effect this week.. so they at least slowed things down...



real shutdowns again are going to be more devestating economically.. I know you think living on zero or little money is OK because you are "alive".. however thats not the case for many of us.. and thats been conveyed to lawmakers and public officials alike.. rolling closures of high risk events and activities seem like a better bet.. ie like truly enforce the original plan for beaches which was distancing.. truly enforce the mask rules instead of letting them go..



but we all know wherei t goes.. in government and in the people these days theres no such thing as a middle ground.. it either results ijn total open or near total lockdown.. in which both have highly detrimental effects..
Chris I take a bit of pause with you saying what I'm ok with.. "alive" is very important to me. And my wife doesn't have a job that's removed from risk. She's as high risk as an occupation can be in a pandemic. Then there's my mother.
I never said living with zero or little money is ok, but I sure can go a LONG way on very little. We went weeks with no money at all. Thankfully the unemployment came in and i've managed to find a few odd jobs here and there that don't require me being near anyone at all.
Please don't confuse my abundance of caution and my willingness to make sacrifices with "having zero of little money". While its true I believe people overestimate what they NEED in this world, I'm not pushing some "all or nothing" thing. I'm simply saying that I'm perfectly content to sit here and live rather than go mixing with these idiots around me in FL.
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https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ne...rting-saturday

All businesses in the St Pete city limits will be required to have employees mask up. Thats big news! Hopefully more cities in FL take action since the governor won't. But St Pete is about as progressive as it gets in FL. Many areas simply will never accept masks or distancing.
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3200+ new cases today in FL. That shatters our previous record.
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3200+ new cases today in FL. That shatters our previous record.
Can you tell if that's "bonafide" Floridians testing positive or does that number include tourists?

I know that other areas were not counting non-resident cases -- makes it harder to do the math...

There's legit reasons for, and against. I'm just wondering if you know.

And if it's tourist traffic that then brings 'rona back to wherever they're from, that's unfortunate too...
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Can you tell if that's "bonafide" Floridians testing positive or does that number include tourists?

I know that other areas were not counting non-resident cases -- makes it harder to do the math...

There's legit reasons for, and against. I'm just wondering if you know.

And if it's tourist traffic that then brings 'rona back to wherever they're from, that's unfortunate too...
There are tables for resident vs non resident cases.
Out of our 86k cases nearly 84k are residents.

Scary numbers in TX, AL, and AZ too.
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