DIESEL $7-8 bucks

[05FrieghtlinerThomas]

do you read real news or just CNN?

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by Meathead

I think after my summer trip this year, (leaving in a few days[emoji16]) I’ll seriously look into cooking oil. I understand the basics but I’m sure there are some tricks to it. Also, I wonder where you get the stuff. Restaurants are probably already committed to someone who picks it up.

Anyway, at these prices……..

[emoji3522]Dave

So let's say you went that route, or any other alternative-fuel option...

Is the idea to only travel locally (like within 1 tank's range)?

Or do you add extra / accessory fuel tanks to extend your range?

Or is it just to help out on the costs a bit, like starting out with a tank of veggie oil but then biting the bullet on regular diesel when it's time to fill up?

[Meathead]

It is my understanding that you must start and warm up with diesel fuel. Then you can switch tanks and use the oil.

Does this mean you need to be back on diesel when you turn the bus off?

Can cooking oil be easily obtained in areas you want to travel?

How does one strain the burnt bits of fish fry and chicken batter? How clean does it need to be?

I’ve not given oil much thought until now. But my bus is finished( are busses ever really finished?), and the prospect of $7-$8 diesel has me thinking!

[emoji3522]Dave

[LargeMargeInBaja]

Originally Posted by Iceni John

Welcome to the brave new world of unfettered rampant free-market...

John

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Dear One,
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None of your rant answers the thread originator q:
* "What are we going to do?"
If I was a moderator, I would give you a time-out... but nobody asked me so I won't.

[DeMac]

Originally Posted by LargeMargeInBaja

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Dear One,
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None of your rant answers the thread originator q:

Dear Skillet,
Nether does yours.
-Kettle
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Originally Posted by matthews2001

DIESEL $7-8 bucks
What are we gonna do........

Answer: sell, park, go broke.


In addition to high diesel prices, diesel exhaust fluid is also on the rise. A recent article, published by RV Business, warns of DEF shortages.
rvbusiness/suppliers-warn-of-shortage-of-def-additive

The price of urea (primary component of def) has tripled. Russia is the world's #1 exporter. From which, the US has now stopped importing. Also, China, #4 exporter, has ceased all urea exports.

Used for fertilizers, urea is in high demand for farmers/growers, who are experiencing both fert & fuel shortages.

I expect the newbie question to change:
"New here, looking for a place to park my skoolie, where I can grow a garden & raise chickens."

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by DeMac

Dear Skillet,
Nether does yours.
-Kettle

[TaliaDPerkins]

Originally Posted by LargeMargeInBaja

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Dear One,
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None of your rant answers the thread originator q:
* "What are we going to do?"
If I was a moderator, I would give you a time-out... but nobody asked me so I won't.

With regard to the Kettle crack, I don't see that complaining about the valid original complaint is anything besides endorsing that complained about.

[TheHubbardBus]

I wish Tom was here. He'd know what to do.

[05FrieghtlinerThomas]

burning cooking oil in a diesel bus probably has a host of issues that would eventually ruin your engine, notwithstanding be insufficient to run an engine but for a very short while, very inefficiently and very underpowered. converting the engine alone would create cost and O&M challenges, and probably part availability issues. it all sounds good until you think through what that all means.

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by 05FrieghtlinerThomas

burning cooking oil in a diesel bus probably has a host of issues that would eventually ruin your engine, notwithstanding be insufficient to run an engine but for a very short while, very inefficiently and very underpowered. converting the engine alone would create cost and O&M challenges, and probably part availability issues. it all sounds good until you think through what that all means.

Just found this...

https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publ...iesel_fuel.pdf

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

i dont think any computerized bus will or can run on waste oil or veggie oil.
an all mechanical engine is a completely different story.
my 86 8.2 detroit has no problem switching between waste oil, veggie oil or diesel without any modification.
i have only ran it one time on waste oil with out mixing it but the motor was already warm .
i had a friend that had BMW,s and a chevy suburban that ran strictly waste fish fry oil.
i had brought him a boiler i salvaged from demo at work and helped him upgrade his system because the waste oil filtered better warm so we added that into his setup.
we were scout leaders at the time and was using the bus to haul scouts on a canoe trip and we were getting ready to leave and i said i am going to have to stop for fuel not even thinking that i could run veggie oil he said pull down to the pole barn and fill up so i did.
i was a little concerned but had no problems even on cold starts but wasnt winter time either.
everytime i used the bus for scout i would always make sure i had half tank diesel and top off with waste oil. never had any problems.
i supplied him with spare strainer screens that way he could swap out clean strainers and keep things going while the pull out were being cleaned.

[TaliaDPerkins]

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...diesel+engines


That if you filter it by centrifuging it or a media with small enough pores, it will burn fine in an already warm engine.

[Timeline]

Originally Posted by matthews2001

What are we gonna do........

When faced with unpleasant things which are out of my control all I can do is, roll with the punches. Fuel prices fluctuate, hang in there!

[Touring4]

Along the same lines as the cooking oil.. Did anyone every test out the hho theory from a few years ago? Something with converting water into hho and putting it through the intake? I never got to test if it was a scam or not..

[TaliaDPerkins]

There is instead a myth to it.


You get less propulsive energy out of it than if you had just put that electrical energy into a motor turning the wheels.

[cadillackid]

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223

chris.
i aint the computer guy but in our line of work i have learned more about BACNET, LONWORKS, gateways and more johson control mess than i ever wanted to know?
OH and i dont care if i ever see another ANNEXAIR unit with a carel controller or an LGMV v5 multi frame HR system. TECH SUPPORT? do they exist? for either?
oh and now my new hatred even dealing with the other mess is sholz DOAU?
the smarter the make this equipment the bigger pain it becomes and now it gets an attitude and dont like being told what to do

I worked on that stuff.. BACnet and LONworks.. .. Johnson stuff was always a pain.. i got certtified on their original DDC offering years ago.. I preferred barber coleman.. and got certified on theirs too..



no one in my company wanted to touch any of it and I was like "gimme!!".. they all wanted to stick with pneumatic VAV boxes and Vari-cone on trane or Mammoth air handlers...



BACnet and LONworks were out there tearing it up against homeywell in the 90s...



I built some neat systems that monitored sun load, wind speeds / direction and the like to control perimeter heating and main evaporator temp..



wire was a real problem esp in old buildings that wanted to update.. so the idea that you could run your lighting control and door management on the same wires as your HVAC controls it intruiged a lot of people..



the biggest issues with LON and BAC are in the bastasrdization of protocols by equipment manufacturters.. one follows the spec to a T.. another follows it loose.. ie with timing of responses... a controller may be expecting perfect timing on responses ot it errors.. yet a blower may be loose.. so it works sometimes and not other times..



this same timing issue i deal with to this day in my current career in integrating Hotel computers(PMS) to Wifi and Telephopne systems.. believe it or not many hotel front office computer systems still prefer RS232 Serial.... now im old.. im one of the only guys that understands it LOL....

[TaliaDPerkins]

Irony!


I do tech support as an EE for what became of Barber-Colman Industrial Instruments Division. Did you know Denny Hablewitz? Or speak to Dave Bubnack?


BTW, Watlow just began the process of buying us. I'm to meet Friday with their representatives and be sheep-dipped in Watlow . . .

[Johnthebusboy]

When the guy down the street raises prices a bit too much it is called gouging.
When the CEO of BP, ExonMobil raises the price way too much it is called supply and demand.
Ever heard of pure greed?

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

in my area that i live in now was a man that had created a working hydrogen motor and the government bought him out to keep quiet in the oil world but i am from texas and the worlds richest acre? ( look it up) ? it was and is a thing. they even have a museum with everything correct. aint no BS to call even if you are a drill worker the town has all the history and this aint the town to call BS on an old pipefitter.
not a local by birth for NC but have been around to here the stories?
several in my head and two i know for sure?
my stories of things on these bases? stop now they know more than i know but the things found while digging.
in this discussion i dug and put in plumbing for a temporaray office trailer and dug through a bunch of old fuel farms and after i was done playing that govt game then heavy utilies which was another company for civil work.
i know this for a fact they started there 13 foot deep dig and hit toxic barrels only 5 foot from where i was digging the week before.
entire crew went to the hosptital for 2-months and that 7-year contract just kind of disappeared"?
i have a few others but its mess in my head from experience and none of relates to that
old mechanized stuff i would say no problem new stuffi would say dont waste your money or effort.

[TaliaDPerkins]

Is a fungible commodity item.


Anyone who can makes more money selling more at a slightly cheaper price than the competition*.


The fact is everyone needs gas. The only way you get it is to outpay who else wants it if the only gas available is increasing in scarcity.


Which it is in part because the Biden administration keeps on cancelling permission to drill where the oil is cheaper to drill for and pump.


*Hence the cheating which has always been seen in OPEC.