DIESEL $7-8 bucks

[matthews2001]

What are we gonna do........

I think my bus gets like 5mpg (I refuse to calculate it as NOTHING I can do about it!! but I dont think I am too off.. correct me if I am wrong)


Way cheaper to fly BUT you cant take the bus as checkin.

Time to buy some land and just park?

I drove up to AK couple years ago, 4500 miles trip of a lifetime!! Then 2 years 'stuck' up there with COVID (We fly in and out to VT $177 bucks 2 years ago now 350 one way). Now I LOVE AK (and get summers off not living in my bus) so maybe I will just continue flying in BUT to get home now to VT looks like $6k.

Maybe just freakin (I know fracking brought the price done) but everything seems against cheaper diesel for the future, and forever

Could oxen pull me home again cheaper

[Iceni John]

Welcome to the brave new world of unfettered rampant free-market capitalism. Americans don't want government interference or, dare I mention, price controls, so this is what rapacious for-profit corporations will do if given the chance. Remember, making money is more important than anything else in this country. Yes, seeing prices this high is a shock, especially to Americans used to cheap almost everything, but all good things inevitably come to an end. And no, the current high fuel prices are nothing to do with Ukraine, and any market shortages are deliberate and part of the means of maximizing profits. All of us plebeian masses are mere pawns in the game of who can make the most money quickest.

If diesel prices remain high, or get even higher, it will be the death knell of the RV industry and everything that it supports, and high gasoline prices will also kill the hotel and travel industry. But that's OK, because oil companies blatantly making obscene profits is evidently all that matters now...

John

[Inner Love]

The dollar is doing what every other fiat currency has done without fail throughout human history, devaluating. We are just beginning the final stage, exponentiating devaluation.

I attached a graph of the gold exchange value of the German Papiermark between 1918-1923, the currency of the former Weimar Republic. The dollar is where the Papiermark was in 1922.

[turf]

just the thread title was enough for me to have a look at the new f150 lightning. what do y'all think about that extended range battery for an extra $10k? imo not worth it, today.

pair that truck with one the the solar city trailer that have an ev charger on it and ........ thats free right?

70k for the truck, 15k for the solar trailer .... that certainly in the lifetime cost of any other vehicle i've owned.

[BarnYardCamp]

yeah I guess it was "unfettered rampant free market capitalism" that's cancelling pipe lines and oil leases. Cost more to ship oil via truck and rail.
Free markets no longer exist in this country even though it was free markets that gave us the highest living standards on the planet. In the 1970's, as a result of the OPEC oil embargo, Jimmy Carter created the Department of Energy, with the mission of moving the U.S. to energy independence. Now we have another huge government bureaucracy that does nothing. Just remember, just 2 short years ago, the United States was a net energy exporter and fuel was pretty cheap. Our political masters couldn't have that. So if you think that the government will fix everything you've bumped your head. But go ahead, have another glass of their cool-ade.
Price controls? Can you say shortages.
The single largest contributor to inflation is our out of control government.
Don't think of inflation as prices going up, think of it as your dollar going down...that's what happens when you create billions of new dollars out of thin air. The "fun" will really begin when the world loses faith in the dollar...which is already happening.

[jayb]

There is plenty of oil. The oil companies are taking advantage of the war in Ukraine to hike prices. I've lived in west texas, It stinks literally. The former guy's friend Putin, in conjunction with oil companies price gouging is the reason Oil prices are so high. Ever notice that when prices go up, gas goes up, when oil goes down, gas does not.

[PorchDog]

High fossil fuel prices are exactly what the climate change folks want.

There is much concern about the water level in Lake Powell dropping so low that the power generation will stop, but probably 5 miles away as the crow flies was the Navaho Generating Station-- a coal fired plant, that got its coal via an electrified railway from maybe 30 miles away. The entire plant was demolished in the last couple of years, so-- if the water gets too low-- there is no plan B.

Same with the fiasco in Texas, and here in Alabama, they are leveling these plants which work rain or shine, but the green folks don't want them around -- so they get destroyed.

At the end of the day-- the poorest folks in our nation are being hurt the worst.

Our energy will continue to be more expensive, unless there are some significant changes-- and if you want everything electrified-- where is all the generating capacity and transmission infrastructure going to come from?

Rant off....

[HamSkoolie]

This seems to be a VERY POLITICAL topic and so the only thing I'm going to say is this:


Look at the track record of Socialism, Marks-ism, Communism, and totalitarianism throughout history. Not the name calling BS of the Internet but the actual economic and political systems of countries.
Then look at the massive increase in the quality of life, technology, and the like that happened while the US was still a largely free market capitalist society (news flash it isn't any more).
The current high cost of fuel is the result of governmental policies and interference intended to price the average consumer out of personal vehicles using fuel and into public transportation or electric vehicles. It's not some conspiracy of the evil big oil companies who make a smaller ROI than almost all other industries. It's merely a supply and demand question that has been artificially changed with legislation for an intended purpose.

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by HamSkoolie

The current high cost of fuel is the result of governmental policies and interference intended to price the average consumer out of personal vehicles using fuel and into public transportation or electric vehicles.

'They' don't want you driving at all. POVs are independence, and independence isn't part of the plan.

[Bill Carson]

Originally Posted by Iceni John

Welcome to the brave new world of unfettered rampant free-market capitalism. Americans don't want government interference or, dare I mention, price controls, so this is what rapacious for-profit corporations will do if given the chance. Remember, making money is more important than anything else in this country. Yes, seeing prices this high is a shock, especially to Americans used to cheap almost everything, but all good things inevitably come to an end. And no, the current high fuel prices are nothing to do with Ukraine, and any market shortages are deliberate and part of the means of maximizing profits. All of us plebeian masses are mere pawns in the game of who can make the most money quickest.

If diesel prices remain high, or get even higher, it will be the death knell of the RV industry and everything that it supports, and high gasoline prices will also kill the hotel and travel industry. But that's OK, because oil companies blatantly making obscene profits is evidently all that matters now...

John

This!

[HamSkoolie]

Can we get a moderator to close or remove this thread?
It's very difficult for those of us who have degrees in how economics and the supply/demand cycle work to bite our tongues in the face of parroted ignorance.

[TheHubbardBus]

Originally Posted by Iceni John

Welcome to the brave new world of unfettered rampant free-market capitalism. Americans don't want government interference or, dare I mention, price controls, so this is what rapacious for-profit corporations will do if given the chance.

You talk about for-profit corporations & government like they're 2 different things.
Only diff between repub & democrat admins is which subset of corporations is calling the shots.
If you think either side is 'reigning in corporate excesses', you're mistaken. All they're doing is hobbling the competition until the pendulum swings the opposite direction.

Who do you think decides who you get to vote for in the first place? You'd be lucky to make county clerk in podunk, USA without corporate support. Just ask Bernie (an example, not an endorsement).

The 'free market' isn't the problem. The free market doesn't exist. That's the problem.
Neither is the system necessarily the problem. It's more about those who have corrupted it for their selfish greed & gain.

[Meathead]

Originally Posted by HamSkoolie

Can we get a moderator to close or remove this thread?
It's very difficult for those of us who have degrees in how economics and the supply/demand cycle work to bite our tongues in the face of parroted ignorance.

Yep ^^^
(no economics degree, but I understand supply and demand)

Three things that always work:
1). Supply/demand
2). Gravity
3). Viagra

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[TaliaDPerkins]

I particularly enjoy the piquant idiocy of the people who want this administration to fix what this administration did on purpose.

[Touring4]

I'd go for the oxen.

[gogolaserbeam]

My Amish friends are always offering me rides these days!

[cadillackid]

I just got back from an airplane trip.. $1400 round trip to fly to san francsico and back.. and while the airplane did its trick.. got me there quick, I did my work and flew home.. there was really no joy to the trip.. the airports were fun because I love crowds and people-watching.. except midway chicago was the deadest airport ive been in.. lots of places still closed.. Cov-fraiders I guess didnt reopen their businesses.. vegas and SFO were nice as was denver airport.. but cancelled flights and upset people.. (yes some people got upset that most werent wearing masks)..



anyway ill still cruise on.. so I wont put much in my 401k (who cares ill be dead by retirement anyway).. and our business is over-the-top busy so income is good.. ill keep driving my busses.. I use my hybrid car more in town as a daily now than I do the bus since it does get 50-55MPG but I do still drive my busses around and ill go on caravans and trips in them..



Flying was obviously cheaper to get to san fran and back than driving a bus and quicker.. so it has its place and ill use it..



but honestly though I havent had as much time to drive the busses as id like.. work is crazy busy and of course hiring people is darn tough.. even in our field.. sure we could hire green kids out of college but they dont know squat and want to sit in an office and pretend they are manging rather than get out in the field and actually do installs..



I took a couple such on installs as the networks were Cisco and they were 'CCNA' so i thought they know cisco perfectly.. and im an HP guy.. ha!! wrong.. I knew more about onsite networking and actually making a VoIP / Data converged network actually work.. neither of these guys understood elemantary VLAN networking... sad...

[Meathead]

I think after my summer trip this year, (leaving in a few days[emoji16]) I’ll seriously look into cooking oil. I understand the basics but I’m sure there are some tricks to it. Also, I wonder where you get the stuff. Restaurants are probably already committed to someone who picks it up.

Anyway, at these prices……..

[emoji3522]Dave

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

chris.
i aint the computer guy but in our line of work i have learned more about BACNET, LONWORKS, gateways and more johson control mess than i ever wanted to know?
OH and i dont care if i ever see another ANNEXAIR unit with a carel controller or an LGMV v5 multi frame HR system. TECH SUPPORT? do they exist? for either?
oh and now my new hatred even dealing with the other mess is sholz DOAU?
the smarter the make this equipment the bigger pain it becomes and now it gets an attitude and dont like being told what to do

[2po2watch]

Look into WMO or “black diesel”. I’ve been running it for 5+ years daily.