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07-20-2020, 12:52 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hudson, WI
Posts: 35
Year: 1992
Chassis: Carpenter SB 2508
Engine: Navistar DTA360 disel inline 6 cyl, 5.9L
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Driver's window - advice needed
Hi All,
I need some help with my driver's side window.
Background: the driver's window leaked like a sieve, so I removed it, cleaned it and the frame, added new butyl tape and seam sealer, and reinstalled the window with more seam sealer. It still leaked something awful. I figured the window gaskets were bad; I accidentally broke the two windows and screwed up the frame removing the window the 2nd time; it's not repairable.
I called everybody and their brother around the US and cannot find a replacement window (I have a 1992 Navistar DTA360, Carpenter SB 2508 chassis).
I figured I'd install sheet metal and an RV window, which I purchased. My concern is that the RV window is tinted and just doesn't provide as much visibility as the original window. Plus I'm concerned the tint may be a hindrance to night driving visibility.
Here's the question: Would it be possible to install a different make bus window into the sheet metal frame? If you think so, how?
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Kathy K
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07-20-2020, 03:50 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaklehr
Here's the question: Would it be possible to install a different make bus window into the sheet metal frame? If you think so, how?
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When I skinned over my original door, I bolted in tube stock above and below, turned a 'standard' window sideways, removed the latches, and screwed it in. Then skinned around the perimeter.
Works as well or better than my driver's slider.
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07-20-2020, 04:25 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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07-20-2020, 05:32 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hudson, WI
Posts: 35
Year: 1992
Chassis: Carpenter SB 2508
Engine: Navistar DTA360 disel inline 6 cyl, 5.9L
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Looks cool. What did you use to fill the side blanks?
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Kathy K
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07-20-2020, 06:59 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,846
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I have already looked for a carpenter window.. carpenter has gone out of business a long time ago.. it appears an 'IC' driver window can be made to fit a high headroom carpenter bus.. a Wayne window (just as hard to find) was a drop in replacement on a carpenter as well.. school bus junkyard will be your best bet. a Thomas High headroom bus like an HDX is a possibility as it looks similar.. I sort of repaired my driver window so I havent gone on a mission to find another one.. I do know of a good one if your bus is a low headroom.. some friends are parting out a low headroom mid-90s Richmond-built carpenter..
-Christopher
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07-20-2020, 07:38 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaklehr
Looks cool. What did you use to fill the side blanks?
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I skinned the opening with one of the interior ceiling panels I removed.
I went this route because I, too, called everybody and their brother AND their sister trying to find a driver's slider window, with no luck.
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07-20-2020, 08:02 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hudson, WI
Posts: 35
Year: 1992
Chassis: Carpenter SB 2508
Engine: Navistar DTA360 disel inline 6 cyl, 5.9L
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HI Christopher,
I'm not sure what you mean by "low headroom". The window opening is 28 3/4" tall x 32" wide.
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Kathy K
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07-20-2020, 08:09 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hudson, WI
Posts: 35
Year: 1992
Chassis: Carpenter SB 2508
Engine: Navistar DTA360 disel inline 6 cyl, 5.9L
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Hi Cadillackid,
Quote:
I do know of a good one if your bus is a low headroom.. some friends are parting out a low headroom mid-90s Richmond-built carpenter..
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I'm VERY interested. Thanks!
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Kathy K
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07-21-2020, 07:06 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,846
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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high headroom vs low headroom has different heights for the windows, yours is a high headroom window opening, same as mine.
the bus being parted out is a low headroom meaning the driver window is a different size..
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07-21-2020, 07:57 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
high headroom vs low headroom has different heights for the windows, yours is a high headroom window opening, same as mine.
the bus being parted out is a low headroom meaning the driver window is a different size..
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U sure about that Chris? I'm pretty sure on at least Thomas buses they only used one size driver window.
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07-21-2020, 08:26 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,846
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Bluebird conventionals used one, carpenter and IC used 2, Thomas used 1 on conventional ..
The busses we are talking about here are carpenters
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07-21-2020, 08:29 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
Bluebird conventionals used one, carpenter and IC used 2, Thomas used 1 on conventional ..
The busses we are talking about here are carpenters
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10-4. Just was wondering.
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07-21-2020, 09:32 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hudson, WI
Posts: 35
Year: 1992
Chassis: Carpenter SB 2508
Engine: Navistar DTA360 disel inline 6 cyl, 5.9L
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Thanks for checking Chris. Guess I'll go the - skin & RV window route.
I really appreciate all your feedback!
Cheers, Kathy
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