Future of fueling our skoolies?

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

if its an nc bus then definitely check the rear end gear size.
they like to gear as close to 49-50 as possible.

[o1marc]

Originally Posted by BarnYardCamp

Right at the pump..that's pretty neat! How does the price compare to regular diesel?

Can any diesel run it or do you need modifications?

Needs modifications to run it. It's price is in line with other fuel prices. In July B20 was around $3.05,B99-B100 was at $3.63. Surprisingly high number of pumping stations around the country with Biodiesel. While cleaner burning, it produces 4% less power.

[HamSkoolie]

Originally Posted by BarnYardCamp

I'd bet that there is a lot more "common ground" in society than most people think. However, common ground can not be found when there is no discussion.
I'd dispute the lives saved from diesel particulates statistics because such things cannot be accurately measured. Doesn't mean that I dispute the benefits of lower emissions.

Exactly. Just like I wouldn't dispute that smoking isn't healthy for humans but the fear mongering "statistics" that were actually created in a "computer model" in the smoking instance, even if just lightly examined by someone with statistical familiarity, didn't hold water.
Doesn't mean smoking is good for us, only that the "science" we're presented is often complete BS written by people who would sell glasses to a blind man if they got paid for it.
Pick a topic........
Green energy -- Nope, just a different kind of impact
Zero emissions cars -- Nope, displaced emissions and mining of nasty materials for batteries.
Dirty diesels -- How long have they been on the road and how many "clean tech" diesels will it take to replace my 7.3 Power Stroke and my DT444E? The 7.3 is at 230,000 and 22 years. The DT444E is at 247,000 and 25 years. Their production emissions are "sunk costs". How much emissions will be produced unnecessarily if I'm forced to replace them before they are actually worn out? HINT: far more than they put out in tail pipe emissions.
It's all political and driven by special interests.....corporations, "environmentalists", etc...... lobbying politicians with campaign contributions as well as far less legal incentives. Just look at the net worth of any of the long term or life time politicians at the federal level....On their meager pay would you care to explain how there are so many multi millionaires among them? I'm pretty sure not many would attempt to argue because they're business geniuses.

[Danjo]

Originally Posted by BarnYardCamp

Right at the pump..that's pretty neat! How does the price compare to regular diesel?

Can any diesel run it or do you need modifications?

Same price as B20 that you find almost everywhere.

There’s at least a couple different ones available here. Propel Fuels is one with a lot of marketing. They say it’s not biodiesel, but made from the same ingredients, whatever that means.

https://propelfuels.com/our_fuels

I’ve heard that there is a giant refinery going in somewhere in Northern California.

Ultimately demand will outstrip supply

[Ronnie]

Until another fuel source comes it is likely diesel and gas will continue to be the primary fuel source.



It will take many years for electric to have even half the market share. Ford is offering crate motors, yes electric crate motors to convert your old car.



I am assuming by the time it is really time to worry about how we will fuel our skoolie's there will be a drop in replacement for our engines that will use whatever the new fuel ends up being. So I am not worried about it, but am keeping my eyes open to see what developes.

[peakbus]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I am assuming by the time it is really time to worry about how we will fuel our skoolie's there will be a drop in replacement for our engines that will use whatever the new fuel ends up being. So I am not worried about it, but am keeping my eyes open to see what developes.

That's what I'm hoping

[vintageracer]

Originally Posted by o1marc

Today, three-quarters of passenger rail transport activity takes place on electric trains, which is an increase from 60% in 2000 - the rail sector is the only mode of of transport that is widely electrified today. This reliance on electricity means that the rail sector is the most energy diverse mode of transport.

Short run passenger rail transport and subways run on electric power which is/was far easier to electrify.

In the USA freight trains rely on DIESEL FUEL!

The diesel fuel powers the diesel engine that turns the electric generator that makes the electric power that powers the electric wheel motors that moves the train.

As stated above diesel fuel is not going anywhere in the next several decades!

[o1marc]

Originally Posted by vintageracer

Short run passenger rail transport and subways run on electric power which is/was far easier to electrify.

In the USA freight trains rely on DIESEL FUEL!

The diesel fuel powers the diesel engine that turns the electric generator that makes the electric power that powers the electric wheel motors that moves the train.

As stated above diesel fuel is not going anywhere in the next several decades!

Don't know much about trains other than I used to work for Seimens installing wiring harnesses on huge train inverters.

[MilesOriginal]

Is this forum turning into Facebook Jr? How about we keep the subject on the subject and not put stupid political commentary into everything? You're going to believe what you're going to believe, even if it kills you. This forum is about skoolies.

[turf]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

It will take many years for electric to have even half the market share. Ford is offering crate motors, yes electric crate motors to convert your old car.

I am assuming by the time it is really time to worry about how we will fuel our skoolie's there will be a drop in replacement for our engines that will use whatever the new fuel ends up being. So I am not worried about it, but am keeping my eyes open to see what developes.

behold:

the Meritor 12xe

they get bigger too!

https://www.meritor.com/en/products/ePowertrains/12Xe

a battery/generator combo sized for the hours of service of truck driving would be pretty economical to operate as far as diesel goes.

[DeMac]

Originally Posted by MilesOriginal

Is this forum turning into Facebook Jr? How about we keep the subject on the subject and not put stupid political commentary into everything? You're going to believe what you're going to believe, even if it kills you. This forum is about skoolies.

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Janet and the rest of Site Team have done a fine job of dictating the various subjects on this forum.

[Everything Else|General Skoolie Discussions] seems to be the appropriate place to discuss future fuel options.

Miles,
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[Ronnie]

Originally Posted by turf

behold:

the Meritor 12xe

they get bigger too!

https://www.meritor.com/en/products/ePowertrains/12Xe

a battery/generator combo sized for the hours of service of truck driving would be pretty economical to operate as far as diesel goes.

That looks like a nice set up. Bet a bit pricey too.

[shorthair]

Originally Posted by o1marc

Today, three-quarters of passenger rail transport activity takes place on electric trains, which is an increase from 60% in 2000 - the rail sector is the only mode of of transport that is widely electrified today. This reliance on electricity means that the rail sector is the most energy diverse mode of transport.

That is true for PASSENGER service but that is still a very small percentage of the total rail fuel consumption because freight uses so much more fuel and it is not publicly owned.

[cadillackid]

Originally Posted by shorthair

That is true for PASSENGER service but that is still a very small percentage of the total rail fuel consumption because freight uses so much more fuel and it is not publicly owned.

electric trolleys used to be a thing all over.. now most of them are gone.. last i knew no one makes them anymore.. all of the cities still using them apparently order rolli ng chassis busses and send them to canada to be built with an electric trolley drivetrain.. Dayton ohio still has electric trolleys with the overhead wires..


they are considered Non rail even though they are tied to the overhead wires.. im guessing those wires were a royal PITA to maintain or we would have more cities running such systems still..



apparently in their peak they were some of the only Air conditioned methods of public transit at the time..

[HamSkoolie]

Originally Posted by MilesOriginal

Is this forum turning into Facebook Jr? How about we keep the subject on the subject and not put stupid political commentary into everything? You're going to believe what you're going to believe, even if it kills you. This forum is about skoolies.

The topic absolutely involves political decisions. Decisions that affect our entire skoolie community. To ignore the politics or the science on the topic would be totally irresponsible. To allow the discussion of such to be cancelled by a complainant would be equally irresponsible.

[s2mikon]

I don't have a crystal ball, but I bet diesel fuel gets more expensive in the short run.

[HamSkoolie]

Originally Posted by s2mikon

I don't have a crystal ball, but I bet diesel fuel gets more expensive in the short run.

Especially on the left coast

[shorthair]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

electric trolleys used to be a thing all over.. now most of them are gone.. last i knew no one makes them anymore.. all of the cities still using them apparently order rolli ng chassis busses and send them to canada to be built with an electric trolley drivetrain.. Dayton ohio still has electric trolleys with the overhead wires..


they are considered Non rail even though they are tied to the overhead wires.. im guessing those wires were a royal PITA to maintain or we would have more cities running such systems still..



apparently in their peak they were some of the only Air conditioned methods of public transit at the time..

Yeah Portlands light rail works so well that when it freezes or gets above about the mid 90s the wires sag too much or they ice up and shut the whole system down. Real good planning by the local politicians NOT.

[shorthair]

Originally Posted by s2mikon

I don't have a crystal ball, but I bet diesel fuel gets more expensive in the short run.

I can remember diesel for 0.499 per gallon in the early 80s and a few fuel wars when the price was tax only.

[HamSkoolie]

Originally Posted by shorthair

I can remember diesel for 0.499 per gallon in the early 80s and a few fuel wars when the price was tax only.

Yeah I wasn't aware of diesel prices back then but I remember when regular was 27 CENTS a gallon. and my dad bought a 200 gallon tank so we could save 2 cents a gallon. Min wage was less than $2.50 and hour (IN CALI) then.